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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-07-14 16:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-06-04 00:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Just wanted to point out that it appears you are confusing TWO DIFFERENT TELEVISION SHOWS.
The original "Brat Camp" was an English show featuring SIX familes who sent their kids to a 'bootcamp' in the States...it won some awards in Europe, and had a repeat airing several months ago on the ABC Family Channel (hence the confusion).
The UPCOMING "BRAT CAMP" is produced by Shapiro/Grodner Productions and sends NINE kids to a camp in Oregon called Sagewalk, which, for the record, is NOT a bootcamp...but is indeed an award winning wilderness therapy program, where certified clinical therapists try to help troubled teens deal with the difficult issues of their lives. No one is yelling at these kids or telling them to "drop and give me 20!" No double-speak intended, it just may be that your definition of a "bootcamp" is different than mine.
This new "BRAT CAMP" is a well-made, uplifting and emotional series...and you might want to watch an episode or two before making premature judgements based on incomplete 'research.'
I'm not trying to brainwash you or anything...it's just that you might actually like it! I hope you do anyway. It was a labor of love for all involved. And I'm very proud of this show.
Sincerely,
John Platt
Co-Executive Producer, "Brat Camp" (the new American one...!)"
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Hi John,
The majority of posters on this site are HELL BENT against ANY kind of treatment programs for teens, because they are ALL abusive, torturous, money hungry places (lol). SO, don't expect to have to many intelligent replies to your posts. Most of the posters either never finished/completed the program they were in, or they backslid afterwards and want to blame ALL the wrongs in their lives on the program they were in as a teen (which they HAD to do SOMETHING to get to a point where their parents went to these lengths to help them). Sad, but true.
Brat Camp was very interesting to watch, and I think these kids CAN get a LOT out of their experince there, that can help them to deal with life constructively as opposed to lying, drugging and being nasty and violent.
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How much do you want to bet that this is that John guy responding to himself? LOL!
Anonymous:
I think it was a typical WWASP defender. There's one of them who likes to CAPITALIZE every other word. Makes it pretty obvious its the same person.
alaskaboy:
Hello John,
I thought that I should let you know that I went to Sage Walk almost two years ago and it is not what you think. When I was there I actually mentioned making a T.V show of the place to two of the staff, only to show the world what a messed up camp it really is. You cannot expect to make a "stepford" teenager and not have them suffer later on. I was clean of drugs before i left to Sagewalk and am clean now, however i have had extremely hard times getting over what happened in the Oregon high desert. I currently am in the Army National Gaurd and I have one semester of highschool to finish and then off to college. The semester of highschool that I have to finish is because of the classes that I failed when I was kidnapped off to SW. Sagewalk made me not appreciate the outdoors as much also, and about my family when i returned I realized that my mom has some deep problems in the head and I got the heck out of her house. I love and respect her for giving birth to me and feeding, clothing me, but that is it. Not to mention the physical problems that Sagewalk left me with.. bad knees, back problems, etc. I had severe emotional problems from the place. I am currently working with Lawyers to assemble my case and there will be a not so pretty lawsuite very soon. I am not alone in this. Those kids need to run away, I wish I had. Loren[ This Message was edited by: alaskaboy on 2005-07-17 00:48 ][ This Message was edited by: alaskaboy on 2005-07-17 00:52 ]
alaskaboy:
--- Quote ---On 2005-07-15 16:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-07-14 16:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-06-04 00:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Just wanted to point out that it appears you are confusing TWO DIFFERENT TELEVISION SHOWS.
The original "Brat Camp" was an English show featuring SIX familes who sent their kids to a 'bootcamp' in the States...it won some awards in Europe, and had a repeat airing several months ago on the ABC Family Channel (hence the confusion).
The UPCOMING "BRAT CAMP" is produced by Shapiro/Grodner Productions and sends NINE kids to a camp in Oregon called Sagewalk, which, for the record, is NOT a bootcamp...but is indeed an award winning wilderness therapy program, where certified clinical therapists try to help troubled teens deal with the difficult issues of their lives. No one is yelling at these kids or telling them to "drop and give me 20!" No double-speak intended, it just may be that your definition of a "bootcamp" is different than mine.
This new "BRAT CAMP" is a well-made, uplifting and emotional series...and you might want to watch an episode or two before making premature judgements based on incomplete 'research.'
I'm not trying to brainwash you or anything...it's just that you might actually like it! I hope you do anyway. It was a labor of love for all involved. And I'm very proud of this show.
Sincerely,
John Platt
Co-Executive Producer, "Brat Camp" (the new American one...!)"
--- End quote ---
Hi John,
The majority of posters on this site are HELL BENT against ANY kind of treatment programs for teens, because they are ALL abusive, torturous, money hungry places (lol). SO, don't expect to have to many intelligent replies to your posts. Most of the posters either never finished/completed the program they were in, or they backslid afterwards and want to blame ALL the wrongs in their lives on the program they were in as a teen (which they HAD to do SOMETHING to get to a point where their parents went to these lengths to help them). Sad, but true.
Brat Camp was very interesting to watch, and I think these kids CAN get a LOT out of their experince there, that can help them to deal with life constructively as opposed to lying, drugging and being nasty and violent.
"
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How much do you want to bet that this is that John guy responding to himself? LOL!"
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hurleygurley:
I didn't see the British show but I will try to find how how to get a dvd or something of the it, unless someone has a dvd or tape to loan out?
What is disturbing about the shows that shine a positive light on a deserving program is that they may ignore the fact that these are huge exceptions and soooooo far from the rules - the horrendour reality of the other "boot camps."
I felt this way reading Dave Marcus' book but in his he pointed out some good points about the program without looking under any rocks. I know ASR has big problems but it may be one of the "easier" of the programs, being in NY and god knows how Marcus got in but certainly the group and counselors he worked with had to have been carefully chosen. I've been in contact with him to point out the huge problems his book raises even though there are pieces of the book that are excellent and report interventions by therapists that would be useful. But he seemed unaware of the civil liberties issues, and the whole world of the sick industry. I believe he is not a malicious person but don't know what price he paid the devil to do the book. I am in the process of establishing rapport with him and hoping to fully inform him, as he is a Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist, seems to care about kids and seems like a good guy. He also takes a good stab at Aspen towars the end mentioning how the ed. cons. are treated like royalty in limos etc...
I am working HARD on getting SF Bay Area series coverage with a good connection I have who understands and is a very compassionate man. He's been waiting for the "right" reporter to free herself up to take the tremendous amount of time to do a series (even though I said I could practically right it myself, refs and all and hand it to her to check and edit!).
Now that I've lost my personal battle for the girl in Aspen's Youth Care/Pinridge RTC in Utah. (If you're interested in details send me a pm.) I am all guns ready to take this on a broader scale.
BTW, the damage was done to my young friend, all of what was suspected was true except that the education she got there was not too bad.
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