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What are WWASPS "Discovery" and "Focus" seminars like?
« on: April 16, 2005, 09:45:00 PM »
What experience did you have when you attended them?

Please go into as much detail as you can.
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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2005, 12:05:00 AM »
What about parent "Discovery" and "Focus" seminars? Are they essentially the same things?

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"The first day is spent mostly humiliating everyone, and pressing people for deep dark secrets. David Gilcrease spoke in the beginning about emotions. There was no substance to anything really, it seemed like mind games. It was common for him to put people on the spot, making you speak in front of everyone, and then he?d press you by screaming things like, ?you brought your self here!? or ?your parents don?t love you?. It seemed like he would do anything to illicit an intense, negative emotional response from anyone not already in an overly emotional state."

Sounds just like "Raps" that were conducted in Straight, Inc. And a lot like the "EST" training seminars too. The "tear down to re-build" mentality.
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2005, 01:32:00 AM »
This is from a parents discovery, another first person, but this time from a parents point of view...

http://www.pianofinders.com/es/breakingthesecrecy.htm
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2005, 08:09:00 AM »
tear down and rebuild?  Give me a break, it is more like tear down, tear down, tear down, etc - never any build-up
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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2005, 11:31:00 AM »
Re-build = Brainwash

Re-build in their image -

Mold into what they think you should be.

In basic terms - get you to buy into their cult.
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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2005, 12:26:00 PM »
Old Friend Just Looked us up recently to get us to go to a Landmark Forum Seminar with him.  
That used to be est.  Damn, isn't anyone sane anymore? We are humans, not parasites.  So why do so many people insist on attaching themselves to the brains of others? I don't get it.
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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2005, 01:01:00 PM »
Landmark is what they're calling est these days, eh? My mom dragged me to est when I was 12. By the time I was 13 I was in my first work/therapy camp, and by 15 spent another 18 months in Straight, Inc.

Can anyone give specifics on TASKS?

Is "TASKS" the same as the parent seminars?
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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2005, 01:48:00 PM »
TASKS = Teen Accountability, Self-Esteem, and Keys to Success.

The old seminar sequence was: Discovery, Focus, Accountability, Keys, and one-two others that I can't remember right now.

The new sequence begins with an Orientation seminar, then Discovery, then Focus, then Keys.

The parents' seminars follow the same sequence, but they are watered-down version of the childrens' seminars, which are far more brutal.
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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2005, 01:55:00 PM »
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"Landmark is what they're calling est these days, eh? My mom dragged me to est when I was 12. By the time I was 13 I was in my first work/therapy camp, and by 15 spent another 18 months in Straight, Inc.



Can anyone give specifics on TASKS?



Is "TASKS" the same as the parent seminars?"

TASKS seminars come in two flavors: parent/family and child(prisoner).  The parent ones are watered down because the participants have the option (i.e. realistic choice) of walking out.  It is just the overall name for the series of seminars.  They don't use the term any more, perhaps because the T (Teen) doesn't really apply to the parents, but I am not aware of any name that replaces it.  As for specifics, see the references above.
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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2005, 12:43:00 PM »
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"Landmark is what they're calling est these days, eh? My mom dragged me to est when I was 12. By the time I was 13 I was in my first work/therapy camp, and by 15 spent another 18 months in Straight, Inc.


You're shittin' me! Was there a direct connection between the EST people and Straight? Or was it just that your mom went in for every newage trend that came along?

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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2005, 03:09:00 PM »
My mom was just a mindless sheep willing to go along with any guru cult that promised life change for a nominal fee. Money = power, right? When she lost all of her money she turned to Christianity, but uses it more as a form of moral immunity than actually truly following God's word in any admirable way.
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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2005, 05:39:00 PM »
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"Gilcrease himself is an engineer by training and a software developer by work experience."


Gilcrease is a complete fraud, and anyone who has experienced his mean spirited 'seminars' will know this immediately. I find it ironic he is trained in mechanics and software... he must *really* believe teens can be 'reprogrammed.'   :sad:
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« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2005, 05:58:00 PM »
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"Gilcrease himself is an engineer by training and a software developer by work experience."




Gilcrease is a complete fraud, and anyone who has experienced his mean spirited 'seminars' will know this immediately. I find it ironic he is trained in mechanics and software... he must *really* believe teens can be 'reprogrammed.'   :sad: "


Or as Jay Kay prefers to call it, "re-wired".
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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2005, 06:44:00 PM »
The term "brainwashing" was invented by American journalist Edward Hunter after a Chinese informant during the Korean War called the process hsi nao (?cleansing the mind).? It was called by the Chinese Szu Hsing Kai Tsao??thought reform? or ?ideological remolding.? People subjected to it function on their own and make their own choices. But choices are based on beliefs. Change beliefs and you change choices.

I define the process as the art of forcing one to accept a new belief along with the belief that one has done so voluntarily. The victims are not saddened, but enthusiastic over their new enlightenment.[/b]

http://freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter ... walker.htm
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