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« Reply #75 on: January 08, 2004, 06:39:00 AM »
Recovering Krystal was just shown for the first time on Australian tv tonight. I found the doco quite convincing in that it seemed to really bring about a positive change in the girl. But I must admit I kept having twinges of annoyance at the way the 'counsellors' would talk to the teens and their parents. I especially got that feeling with Vause. He seemed to be badgering people into thinking a certain way. For example, he would ask a question and then pause for only 2 secs and provide the answer to which the emotional kid would only dutifully nod. Anyway, I had mixed feelings about what I saw, so I did a search in good old google and came upon an editorial to do with the possible links between KIDS and the AARC and then found my way here.

I must say the most cogent arguments I have seen in this thread alone (the only one I've read so far) have definitely been on the side of those questioning Vause. Some of the defenders of him are the ones coming across as loonies and troublemakers. But perhaps that's what those anonymous posters are intending in the hope of disrupting the board and diverting its focus on finding the truth of the situation. That's enough from me, but best of luck to all those pursuing truth and honesty!   :smile:

PS. Is anyone aware of programs like this in Australia? I know of one organisation that I think promotes similar concepts as AARC appears to. It was called Tough Love from memory.
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« Reply #76 on: January 08, 2004, 03:40:00 PM »
Good instinct Ausie,
  The TOUGHLOVE hategroup seems to have taken hold in Australia around the same time Straight, Inc. founders, Melvin and Betty Sembler, occupied public housing via the US State Department under the Büsh I administratin. Now they're doing their thing over in Italy. Kids and AARC are spin-off programs based on the Straight, Inc. model.

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« Reply #77 on: January 22, 2004, 11:44:00 AM »
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There's no scientific basis for the kind of statistics AARC uses.
Reason :
1. They only use "graduates" to measure success.
2. There is no measure of theose who do NOT graduate.
3. There is no objective measure of whether those "entering" the program had any "problem" to start off with anyway.
4. Ther is no definition of what constitutes a "problem" in any event. Only what Dean Vause and his cronies try to tell you is a problem
5. It's all in how the cases are filtered --- how much money can the gullible parents afford to pay, etc etc.
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First of all. I don't know what else there is to measure success of a treatment center other than sober graduates. Especially being that sober graduates is the goal. It IS a treatment center, not "a Kiss the Clients ass center" and "a make the program look good for the newspaper center". Second, those who did not graduate, weren't treated properly, so why should they be included in the statistics. Anybody putting out a product in to society, doesn't cover products under the manufacturer's warranty if they haven't been certified in the first place. I see no difference between the two. AARC isn't responsible for people who chose to leave or were terminated. Thirdly, there is definitely a measure of whether or not the clients have a problem. Just ask their family members, teachers, counsellors and psychologists, and jail security guards. They'll tell you what they saw. Don't forget the assessment process too which involves an outside assessment and recomendations. Then there is the fact that there is a waiting list for AARC and they have no use for people without problems. Fourthly, I think we all know what a "problem" is. We all learned it in early childhood and it is pretty clear that any person needing to be admitted to AARC has at least one problem. Finally, some of the "gullible parents" cant afford to pay much at all but AARC holds fund raisers so that no family can be turned away.

Anyways, I think this forum is a joke and it's fun to read this stuff. Thank you for the entertainment. Sometimes I get bored and decide that I want to read some comments from weak people. Great. Lovin it. Get honest!
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« Reply #78 on: January 23, 2004, 12:49:00 PM »
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« Reply #79 on: January 23, 2004, 12:49:00 PM »
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« Reply #80 on: January 23, 2004, 12:50:00 PM »
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« Reply #81 on: January 23, 2004, 12:50:00 PM »
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« Reply #82 on: January 23, 2004, 12:50:00 PM »
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« Reply #83 on: January 23, 2004, 12:50:00 PM »
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« Reply #84 on: February 02, 2004, 12:05:00 PM »
what the %$#@ Butter?
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« Reply #85 on: July 11, 2004, 01:18:00 AM »
even child molestors have fans
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« Reply #86 on: February 26, 2005, 08:05:00 PM »
I'm looking to chat with someone who has graduated from the AARC program in Calgary, Alberta.
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« Reply #87 on: February 27, 2005, 09:41:00 AM »
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"I'm looking to chat with someone who has graduated from the AARC program in Calgary, Alberta."


Regarding?
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« Reply #88 on: May 08, 2005, 11:56:00 AM »
Dean was worthless !
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« Reply #89 on: July 02, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »
:wstupid:
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