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Who knows Dean Vause - lets have some facts here too
Anonymous:
On 2002-12-06 13:07:00, Some Anonymous Looser wrote:
"I'VE HAD ENOUGH... IT IS NO ONES FAULT THAT BRIAN OFFED HIMSELF EXCEPT HIS AND HIS ADDICTION, THAT IS IT! "
So, I follow you around for a few years and tell you that you are a looser, and that you will never succeed at anything. That you are doomed to die a horrible death, and that you are a looser, yes, you are a looser. Did I mention the fact that you are a looser? (Maybe I should just lock you into a facility for 12-24 months, with no contact with the outside world or anyone that would negate my statement that you are a looser, and then give you the full treatment!!)
Soon you begin to believe that I am telling you the truth, and you begin to feel ever more like a looser, and that your life sucks. And in time you are contemplation, then actually committing suicide. (oddly enough, some people even turn to drugs, to alleviate the pain of ther life's torture, instead of committing suicide, but this does not always help and the finally in a spiral commit the act)
I suppose, you would say I would not be responsible for that in any part. Even though, I drill into your head that, you are a looser. Made you believe that you are a looser. And indeed you are a looser. Did I mention that you are a looser?
The psyche can be a delicate thing. Outside influences determine how we think and feel about our selves, in part everything in Brians life contributed to his demise. So the only question that would remain here is how much of this was caused by Dean?
(Did I mention that you were a looser?)
Antigen:
You're conversing with two or more seperate and distinct individuals. Velvet never blamed Dr. Vause for Brian's death. In leteral, strictly technical terms, Dr. Vause didn't kill Brian. Brian did. That's why the term is suicide, not homicide.
However, if "Dr." Vause is going to hold himself up as a treatment expert and professional, then he ought to be held to the same standards as any real medical professional, don'chya think?
Remember thalidomide? Once upon a time, doctors used to prescribe it to pregnant women to combat symptoms associated with morning sickness. It seemed to work with few serious side effects. So this was considered good medical practice. Soon, it was discovered that thalidomide caused horrible birth defects. Good doctors the world over quit prescribing it or patted themselves on the back for waiting for the other shoe to drop and having not tried it on their patients to begin with.
In other words, real medical professionals take a serious and dedicated interest in the actual effects of their treatments on their patients. When a treatment is deemed to be more harmful than helpful, real doctors quit doing it and are generally favorable to putting the word out to other professionals and laymen so that they don't make the same mistakes.
This is not the case with "Dr." Vause. When a client does not respond well to "treatment", "Dr." Vause essentially tells them to go drop dead. Is anyone surprise that sometimes they do? Not only is there no serious effort to keep in touch with former clients or to make anything like a long-term outcome study of former clients, but former clients "in good standing" are forbiden to even communicate with former clients "not in good standing" (unless, of course, like you, they're rabidly defending the quack guru)
I would leave you with this aphorism:
"There lives more faith, in honest doubt, Believe me, than in half the creeds."
--Alfred Lord Tennyson
If you have so much faith in your guru, why not look up as many former clients as you can find, talk to them, find out how they're doing in life so that you can assure yourself that the program really does "work".
Don't worry about temptation--as you grow older, it starts avoiding you.
-- Old Farmer's Almanac
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Anonymous:
"Please don't give me some lame answer about how they are "partly" responsible for Brian's death. If you think it is Dr. V.'s or AARC's fault just say so, but please quit hinting at it."
Please give me black or white only please? Is it hard to comprehend anything else than that? Can you only support your program %100 and therefore anyone outside of it is %100 wrong? Do they have to be %100 for your "Dr" or %100 for the other? Ever ask yourself why?
Anonymous:
OK, so besides being a looser they are also stupid. I left no hint. It is plain and simple Dean/AARC are partly responsible, and most likely they as well from what I am hearing, as being a part of AARC, that it would seem they want to try and absolve their selves from guilt by denying what can be done to the human psyche in order to destroy one's self esteem enough to commit suicide.
(Did I mention that they were also stupid, as well as a looser?)
This is your brain ::stab::
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[ This Message was edited by: SysAdmin on 2002-12-06 21:16 ]
Anonymous:
On 2002-12-06 18:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
Please give me black or white only please? Is it hard to comprehend anything else than that?
For some people, it's udderly[sic] impossible. Cult mentality is built upon absolutism--totalism. You're fer us or agin us, right or wrong, good or bad. That's all there is.
The really ironic part? If you accept the thesis that a friend is someone who knows all about you and likes you anyway, we're probably the best friends these assholes have. Anyone else, if the knew the truth, would hang them in the town square.
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