What about "Carlbrook School"?

[Whooter]

Thanks Free_Speech,  I think it is great that the students are forming these alumni groups.  This gives the kids a chance to reunite with each other and air any beefs they had with the school and to also be able to talk about the good times.  It also gives the schools/programs some insight into any areas which they could improve upon.  So this acts as a great feed back system.

I have noticed this is happening spontaneously more and more with many Therapeutic Boarding schools.  It’s a plus for those regulars here on fornits because it exposes any potential abuse that might have occurred and can potentially put to bed (or expose) any allegations of wide spread abuse in specific programs.




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[Ursus]

Thanks Free_Speech,  I think it is great that the students are forming these alumni groups.  This gives the kids a chance to reunite with each other and air any beefs they had with the school and to also be able to talk about the good times.  It also gives the schools/programs some insight into any areas which they could improve upon.  So this acts as a great feed back system.

I have noticed this is happening spontaneously more and more with many Therapeutic Boarding schools.  It’s a plus for those regulars here on fornits because it exposes any potential abuse that might have occurred and can potentially put to bed (or expose) any allegations of wide spread abuse in specific programs.

Riiiiiiiiight. And the fact that "the 'Carlbrook Alumni Association' Facebook group has removed students' permission to post on the wall" should tell you something about just how "open" Carlbrook is to constructive criticism.

[Whooter]

Thanks Free_Speech,  I think it is great that the students are forming these alumni groups.  This gives the kids a chance to reunite with each other and air any beefs they had with the school and to also be able to talk about the good times.  It also gives the schools/programs some insight into any areas which they could improve upon.  So this acts as a great feed back system.

I have noticed this is happening spontaneously more and more with many Therapeutic Boarding schools.  It’s a plus for those regulars here on fornits because it exposes any potential abuse that might have occurred and can potentially put to bed (or expose) any allegations of wide spread abuse in specific programs.

Riiiiiiiiight. And the fact that "the 'Carlbrook Alumni Association' Facebook group has removed students' permission to post on the wall" should tell you something about just how "open" Carlbrook is to constructive criticism.

Depends on what they were banned for:  flooding?  posting porno?  Maybe they set up specific forum rules that were not adhered to.  We would need to take a look at the reasons before judging that.
But that aside I think we can agree that the open dialog is a plus for everyone.  Its a very positive and encouraging step.



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[cooltherapy]

Depends on what they were banned for:  flooding?  posting porno?  

It looks like just a couple of links posted challenging Carlbrooks use of aggressive group therapy got the wall shut down. It was initially deleted and there was a response asking why.. it was 4 or 5 posts that were very simple... and then the wall was gone.

Now... here's what the facebook group says:
Description:This is a private group restricted to Carlbrook faculty and student alumni. It is intended as a forum for open discussion, support, feedback and general updates. Welcome.

notice... feedback. maybe not so much?

[Whooter]

Depends on what they were banned for:  flooding?  posting porno?  

It looks like just a couple of links posted challenging Carlbrooks use of aggressive group therapy got the wall shut down. It was initially deleted and there was a response asking why.. it was 4 or 5 posts that were very simple... and then the wall was gone.

Now... here's what the facebook group says:
Description:This is a private group restricted to Carlbrook faculty and student alumni. It is intended as a forum for open discussion, support, feedback and general updates. Welcome.

notice... feedback. maybe not so much?

Thanks Cooltherapy, Thats how it should be and I think it is good that they are reaching out for open discussion and feed back.  I think we all know that sometimes the discussion can get personal and facebook groups dont have the personnel to delete or move posts which run off topic to different areas or easily deal with posts which are intended to hurt others.

I have seen a few other facebook groups which are doing the same thing and aside from a few posters intent to disrupt the group and feedback is working out well.

Hopefully they will rethink the rules and how they go about accepting people and then reopen the wall to discussion.



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[free_speech]

I think that they see the picture that people are unhappy.  I don't see them removing privileges necessarily as a bad thing, at this point.  Maybe they are getting organized for something, because I think they have a lot at stake at this point.  Stay tuned.

[Ursus]

Depends on what they were banned for:  flooding?  posting porno?  

It looks like just a couple of links posted challenging Carlbrooks use of aggressive group therapy got the wall shut down. It was initially deleted and there was a response asking why.. it was 4 or 5 posts that were very simple... and then the wall was gone.

Now... here's what the facebook group says:
Description:This is a private group restricted to Carlbrook faculty and student alumni. It is intended as a forum for open discussion, support, feedback and general updates. Welcome.

notice... feedback. maybe not so much?

Sounds like Carlbrook has a special definition for "open discussion" that is not exactly open.

[Whooter]

Depends on what they were banned for:  flooding?  posting porno?  

It looks like just a couple of links posted challenging Carlbrooks use of aggressive group therapy got the wall shut down. It was initially deleted and there was a response asking why.. it was 4 or 5 posts that were very simple... and then the wall was gone.

Now... here's what the facebook group says:
Description:This is a private group restricted to Carlbrook faculty and student alumni. It is intended as a forum for open discussion, support, feedback and general updates. Welcome.

notice... feedback. maybe not so much?

Sounds like Carlbrook has a special definition for "open discussion" that is not exactly open.

This idea was floated a few years ago here on fornits but was quickly discarded because everyone was under the impression that programs were too secretive to seek feedback or have a forum of alumni.  If you were sincere about wanting open communication with the programs you would be crediting them with their attempts to seek feedback.  

Imagine if they had a poster like Niles or Pile show up to disrupt the forum with little or no intention to contribute.  They would need to remove the poster for the sake of the discussion.  Fornits’ “open Discussion” is not exactly open either.  There are rules that need to be followed.. no personal attacks, must stay on topic etc.

I would think that you would be pushing for fornits to open up to that level before criticizing others if you really felt it was necessary.  My suspicion is that you dont want the programs to seek feedback because this would disqualify them from being categorized as a cult and show them in a better light, but I may be wrong.



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[free.speech]

My problem with "cult" is that it's a severely loaded word; I've been reading Fornits for a while, and I don't think that the contributors here believe that this school has good intentions, when I believe it does.  I can't imagine posters here having a fulfilling conversation with members of the Carlbrook administration.  Something has to come from the current happenings; if they ignore us, only bad will come of it, I think.

[Whooter]

My problem with "cult" is that it's a severely loaded word; I've been reading Fornits for a while, and I don't think that the contributors here believe that this school has good intentions, when I believe it does.  I can't imagine posters here having a fulfilling conversation with members of the Carlbrook administration.  Something has to come from the current happenings; if they ignore us, only bad will come of it, I think.

You hit on some key issues that many here have with the industry.  There is such an ingrained perception that these programs are abusive that many have closed off pretty much any open minded discussion on the subject.  Many would be more apt to try to disrupt any constructive dialog with a program in fear of them realizing that these programs listen and adjust based on feedback from alumni.  I have seen this first hand so I know that programs intentions are sincere.

I believe if Calbrook can open the wall up to constructive discussion and keep the disruptive posters off the wall somehow I think they will reopen the wall.  Fornits has moderators who quickly remove posts from the thread if they are attacking someone or run off topic.  I don’t know if the Calbrook facebook has this type of support (or capability) in place so they will have to take a different route to help keep the posts on topic.  Maybe facebook isn’t the best platform to host that particular type of discussion.

This has been great information free.speech.  Thanks for keeping us informed.



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[cooltherapy]

There are less than 200 people in the group... and rarely is there a post on the wall. I don't think they're having difficulty with people attacking or spamming.

[Tim Brace Victims]

My problem with "cult" is that it's a severely loaded word; I've been reading Fornits for a while, and I don't think that the contributors here believe that this school has good intentions, when I believe it does.  I can't imagine posters here having a fulfilling conversation with members of the Carlbrook administration.  Something has to come from the current happenings; if they ignore us, only bad will come of it, I think.

For me it doesn't matter whether or not Tim brace the former prostitute and Grant Price his probable CEDU teen lover have "good intentions". Ted Bundy had "good intentions". At issue is that they're abusive kidnappers pretending to provide therapy, while having no license to provide therapy, to start with... A list of their abuses would be mind blowing in length and degree of evil. Cult is a pretty good word for that place, but its just a word. I agree that nothing can be fulfilling on fornits because of the anonymity problems,but also that nothing fulfilling can come about as long as all that we do is bound to the internet. It should be soon time to take the next steps, for me.

[free_speech]

My problem with "cult" is that it's a severely loaded word; I've been reading Fornits for a while, and I don't think that the contributors here believe that this school has good intentions, when I believe it does.  I can't imagine posters here having a fulfilling conversation with members of the Carlbrook administration.  Something has to come from the current happenings; if they ignore us, only bad will come of it, I think.

For me it doesn't matter whether or not Tim brace the former prostitute and Grant Price his probable CEDU teen lover have "good intentions". Ted Bundy had "good intentions". At issue is that they're abusive kidnappers pretending to provide therapy, while having no license to provide therapy, to start with... A list of their abuses would be mind blowing in length and degree of evil. Cult is a pretty good word for that place, but its just a word. I agree that nothing can be fulfilling on fornits because of the anonymity problems,but also that nothing fulfilling can come about as long as all that we do is bound to the internet. It should be soon time to take the next steps, for me.

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I don't think we could really compare Tim and Grant to Ted Bundy; And, you call them evil.  They really do have good intentions.  Grant, Justin, and Jim formed the school to do it differently from Cascade.  However, they didn't ditch enough of the CEDU stuff in the process.  "prostitute" and "teen lover" won't really help.  Are you a Carlbrook grad?  I'm willing to have respectful discussion, but that stuff is a little over-the-top.  I like objective.  I like empirical.

[Whooter]

lol I think we can all see at least one reason why they had to take the wall down.  There are people who are afraid to converse openly and intend only to disrupt communication ^^^^



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[cooltherapy]

What kind of support can leading members of fornits give Carlbrook students who are deciding to take legal action? There has been some talk and a bit of research but it seems that everyone is pretty lost when it comes to how to approach this.