Terri Schiavo

[Anonymous]

All you Michael Schiavo fans should get your facts straight.  This man is no hero and neither is his lawyer. The real hero is Terri who was victimized by these 2 men and their self-serving agenda.

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http://www.terrisfight.org

[Antigen]

Oh, gimme a damned break already! Terri Schiavo hadn't said a word, much less fought for or against anything in 15 years. That's when she sustained irreversable, morbid brain damage.

As far as her comfort and well being is concerned, I doubt she had the capacity to care one way or the other what the lunatics outside her hospice thought or did. She's been gone for over a decades already. And I don't believe for a minute that the sanctimonious jerks who turned this whole thing into a circus ever gave a sincere thought to her wellbeing anyway. It's all about the cause, man.

The idea of God is the sole wrong for which I cannot forgive mankind.
--Marquis de Sade, French libertine

[Anonymous]

What a bunch of hypocrites you all are!

Terri never had an MRI or PET SCAN so the full extent of her brain injury was never known.

Second, like troubled teens who do not have the right to due-process before they are shipped off to some teen hell camp ... Terri was deprived of due-process.  She DID NOT have an attorney of her own!!!!!!

Think about what you are advocating when you see nothing wrong with killing a disabled human being by depriving them of food and water?

Is it okay to starve teens in these boot camps and programs?  Deprive them of water?  Sleep?

Why is Terri any different?  Why was she killed on the word of her husband ... who didn't even remember her alleged "wishes" until 7 years after she collapsed (and after the malpractice suit was settled)?

Why did he refuse therapy to prevent the atrophy you saw in her hands?  Why no dental care for 7 years?  Why no fresh air?

Why did he pay his attorney nearly $400,000 out of Terri's trust fund?

Did you even bother read the information on the Terris Fight website or do you consider the "other side" of the story to be unworthy of your time and consideration?  

I mean, after all, Terri is dead.  Why bother educating yourselves AFTER THE FACT?  Hell, she was already dead, right?  

WRONG!  Terri was not dead.  It took 13 days to kill her.

http://www.terrisfight.org

BTW: Tonight is Terri's memorial in Florida. Her remains have been cremated and buried in the Schiavo family plot in PA in accordance with her former husband's wishes.

[Anonymous]

The only lunatics I saw were the KILL TERRI advocates who reminded me time and time again of just how toxic America is.

You don't kill disabled people by starving and dehydrating them to death any more than you lock up teens in places that use food, water and sleep deprivation to control or change their behavior.

Good grief ... what is happening here? Terri could not speak so she lost the right to be heard?

That's B.S. and you all know it!

[Anonymous]

MSNBC Poll
Should TS have the right to die?

Yes 83% (I was surprised!)

No 11%

Don't know  6%

Re: euthenasia... WHY specifically is it illegal? Generally curious. I've never heard but spect it has something to do with it being a 'sin' to 'kill' or commit suicide?

If so, why the fuck do we have laws based on religious dogma? That's pretty damned arrogant when your 'god' trumps my 'god' with laws that affect me. don't ya think?

How 'free' are you when you can't decide when and how you leave the human form, legally speaking? I s'pose those who really want to go peacefully know how to get around ignorant laws.

Damn, I just thought about the ungodly number of C-sections that occur in this country. A human can't self determine when they leave or arrive. That sucks. Fucking control freaks.

And to the anon comparing TSs death to deaths in programs..... apples and oranges, apples and oranges.

I believe it has been determined, by experts and most reasonable people, that she was not DISABLED, but in fact brain dead. That is a gross misuse of the word to illicite sympathy... manipulation? Now THAT sounds like a program.

[Carmel]

On 2005-04-05 17:36:00, Anonymous wrote:

"What a bunch of hypocrites you all are!



Terri never had an MRI or PET SCAN so the full extent of her brain injury was never known.



Second, like troubled teens who do not have the right to due-process before they are shipped off to some teen hell camp ... Terri was deprived of due-process.  She DID NOT have an attorney of her own!!!!!!



Think about what you are advocating when you see nothing wrong with killing a disabled human being by depriving them of food and water?



Is it okay to starve teens in these boot camps and programs?  Deprive them of water?  Sleep?



Why is Terri any different?  Why was she killed on the word of her husband ... who didn't even remember her alleged "wishes" until 7 years after she collapsed (and after the malpractice suit was settled)?



Why did he refuse therapy to prevent the atrophy you saw in her hands?  Why no dental care for 7 years?  Why no fresh air?



Why did he pay his attorney nearly $400,000 out of Terri's trust fund?



Did you even bother read the information on the Terris Fight website or do you consider the "other side" of the story to be unworthy of your time and consideration?  



I mean, after all, Terri is dead.  Why bother educating yourselves AFTER THE FACT?  Hell, she was already dead, right?  



WRONG!  Terri was not dead.  It took 13 days to kill her.



http://www.terrisfight.org



BTW: Tonight is Terri's memorial in Florida. Her remains have been cremated and buried in the Schiavo family plot in PA in accordance with her former husband's wishes.























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I have no need of reading Terri's site to be educated about death.  I am pleased that it has only taken READING about someones death to educate YOU.  Count yourself blessed.  Or really unblessed, dependng on your point of view.

Not to mention that it is positively ludicrous that she never received these "basic" tests to confirm her brain damage, among other extensive testing.  These days doctors give MRI's for nothing more than a splinter of glass in your foot.  With all the "due process" that occured during this spectacle, it is nearly unimaginable that these tests were not performed.

Being also a specialist in the workings of musculature, I can vouch for the fact that 15 years of cerebrally unassisted therapy can only go so far to prevent atrophy or even muscular depletion.  The saying "free your mind, and the rest will follow" comes into play here....as well as leave your mind.

Michael Schiavo may have used the money from the trust fund to pay the lawyer because he initially refused the million bucks her parents offered him to grant custody to them.  Has the fact ever occured to you that said funds going to Michaels lawyer were decidely not going to Michael himself?

I would like an elaboration on how this makes me a hypocrite based on my current and previous posting.

[Carmel]

On 2005-04-05 17:52:00, Anonymous wrote:

"The only lunatics I saw were the KILL TERRI advocates who reminded me time and time again of just how toxic America is.



You don't kill disabled people by starving and dehydrating them to death any more than you lock up teens in places that use food, water and sleep deprivation to control or change their behavior.



Good grief ... what is happening here? Terri could not speak so she lost the right to be heard?



That's B.S. and you all know it!





"

Who exactly, are you to determine what it is Terri may have wanted to be heard about?  Would you not be confident that your decisions regarding your own spouse would be proper?

And if starving and dehydrating disabled people is the be all end all of evil, then we better get on the horn with Dubya right away and tell him right and proper about all those pesky civilians being blown to bits in Iraq, not to mention the prisoners of war being tortured and killed, yes killed, do your math.........oh but wait, THOSE people arent being HEARD either, are they.  But let me guess, they dont count.

Hypocrisy is evident here in many ways.

[Anonymous]

Terri did not die of a "dead" brain.

She died after 13 days of FOOD and WATER deprivation.

As for the poll ... all that shows is how easy it is to manipulate the "masses" vis a vis the spread of misinformation.

The fact is there were many issues in dispute regarding Terri's medical condition, the cause, the prognosis and last but not least, what she wanted or didn't want.

Had this been a "hung jury" in a death penalty case, the law would have required them to err on the side of "life" rather than pronounce a death sentence upon someone they could not be sure beyond a reasonable doubt committed the crime for which they were charged.

Terri was given no such leeway.  Her life was taken solely because of a statement her husband ALLEGES she made to him, and only him.

As for the program analogy, perhaps you are unaware that every day in this country, so-called defective (troubled) teens are whisked away in the middle of the night, often in hand/leg cuffs, for no better reason than they can not (or will not) comply with the expectations and demands of their parents.  

Think about it. Labels:  Defiant.  Troubled. Manipulative. Brain Dead.

Lock em up or kill em, all you need is a parental agreement or a cowardly judge's order to rid yourself of an unwanted teen or spouse.

 :flame:



Wa

[Anonymous]

On 2005-04-05 22:15:00, Carmel wrote:

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On 2005-04-05 17:52:00, Anonymous wrote:


"The only lunatics I saw were the KILL TERRI advocates who reminded me time and time again of just how toxic America is.





You don't kill disabled people by starving and dehydrating them to death any more than you lock up teens in places that use food, water and sleep deprivation to control or change their behavior.





Good grief ... what is happening here? Terri could not speak so she lost the right to be heard?





That's B.S. and you all know it!








"

Who exactly, are you to determine what it is Terri may have wanted to be heard about?  Would you not be confident that your decisions regarding your own spouse would be proper?



And if starving and dehydrating disabled people is the be all end all of evil, then we better get on the horn with Dubya right away and tell him right and proper about all those pesky civilians being blown to bits in Iraq, not to mention the prisoners of war being tortured and killed, yes killed, do your math.........oh but wait, THOSE people arent being HEARD either, are they.  But let me guess, they dont count.



Hypocrisy is evident here in many ways.
"

What a joke!  You can starve/dehydrate someone to death in America based on HEARSAY while at the same time air infomericals about how just $20 a month can help save one starving, infirm child in a third world country.

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[thepatriot]

On 2005-04-05 15:00:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-04-05 14:10:00, thepatriot wrote:


But to think that starving and dehydrating somebody until their body fails is a peaceful way to go, I don?t know about that one.

You're partially right.  Euthenasia would have been much more humane.  But, unfortunately, that's not legal.  But that's beside the point, she had NO CEREBRAL CORTEX!!!!  That big black space in the center of her brain was spinal GOO. http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/.shared/i ... _terri.png   She didn't feel anything...nothing....zip, nada, zilch."

Ok Dr Anonymous, thanks for the education...Not

[Anonymous]

Well Patriot, what's your 'professional' dx?
That 'opinion' was stated and reiterated in the documentary, by a couple of different medical experts.

For all we know, she may have felt a prisoner in her own body for 15 years. And if she had thoughts at all, wishing that her parents would 'let her out of prison'. Ya know. Without the 'heroics' of modern medicine she'd have passed 13 days after her collapse. Being unable to swallow goes beyond 'disabled'. What adult would choose to live that way? Unable to communicate, unable to move, unable to eat/drink, having your diapers changed. Would you folks choose to live that way? And, why?

[Anonymous]

***What a joke! You can starve/dehydrate someone to death in America based on HEARSAY while at the same time air infomericals about how just $20 a month can help save one starving, infirm child in a third world country.

Honey, it takes a hell of lot more than $20/day to keep a brain dead person 'alive'. I imagine that you are emotional about this because you would want herorics if you were in her situation.
Best create a will. And while you're at it, better start stashing some piles of money aside... cause you too will starve and dehydrate if your family can't pay the bill to keep your physical shell functioning. Poor folk die when they can't swallow.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-04-05 16:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

"All you Michael Schiavo fans should get your facts straight.  This man is no hero and neither is his lawyer. The real hero is Terri who was victimized by these 2 men and their self-serving agenda.



 :flame:



http://www.terrisfight.org



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And all you Right to Lifers need to get YOUR facts straight.  This went all the way up and down the FL courts for over 7 years.  How much more due process do you want??  Judge Greer bent over backwards to accomodate hearing every one of the Schindler's claims.  He did NOT just take Michael's word that Terri would not have wanted to live that way.  There were others that she told the same thing to, including one of her best friends.  Did you also happen to miss in the civil courts that Terri was found to be parially responsible for her condition?

Did you even bother to read the Guardian Ad Litem's report?  The Guardian Ad Litem was appointed to represent Terri and Terri alone.  He gives good insight into this whole thing.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-04-05 17:36:00, Anonymous wrote:


Terri never had an MRI or PET SCAN so the full extent of her brain injury was never known.

The CT scan was pretty telling.  One of the court appointed docs said that the PET or MRI scans wouldn't have revealed anything different.  She had NO CEREBRAL CORTEX!!  What more do you need to know?

Second, like troubled teens who do not have the right to due-process before they are shipped off to some teen hell camp ... Terri was deprived of due-process.  She DID NOT have an attorney of her own!!!!!!

No, she had a Guardian Ad Litem who was appointed by the court to represent TERRI and ONLY TERRI.

Think about what you are advocating when you see nothing wrong with killing a disabled human being by depriving them of food and water?

She wasn't disabled, she died about 15 years ago.

Is it okay to starve teens in these boot camps and programs?  Deprive them of water?  Sleep?

They still have a functioning cerebral cortex.  They also didn't have over 7 years of court proceedings to try and determine what they would have wanted.

Why is Terri any different?

See above.

Why was she killed on the word of her husband

She wasn't.  The judge heard evidence from multiple witnesses and took his time to research the angles.

Did you even bother read the information on the Terris Fight website or do you consider the "other side" of the story to be unworthy of your time and consideration?  

Did you bother to go and read the GAL report?

BTW: Tonight is Terri's memorial in Florida. Her remains have been cremated and buried in the Schiavo family plot in PA in accordance with her former husband's wishes.

He was not her "former" husband.  He was her husband.

[Anonymous]

Think about it. Labels:  Defiant.  Troubled. Manipulative. Brain Dead.

Right...you forgot "disabled", your preferred label.