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« on: March 12, 2005, 07:31:00 PM »
There was a Courtroom tragedy in GA.A man on trial stole a deputy's gun and killed the judge, a deputy, and a court reporter. This is what WWASPS and other programs are trying to help families avoid.Being a murderer on the run. Being on trial. Being in jail for a life sentence.Think about that before you go spewing hatred towards such programs.                                                                                            

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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2005, 08:35:00 PM »
This is the argument used by WWASP.  They also like to use the Columbine tragedy. I guess they could use just about anything as a reason they need to use abusive measures to re-program kids. Professionals are now coming forward indicating that these types of bm programs do more harm than good.   :scared:  :scared:  :skull:  
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2005, 09:06:00 PM »
Professionals? Who? Ginger? Sara? Cayo? Niles? Pleeeaaasssseeee.

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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2005, 09:45:00 PM »
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On 2005-03-12 18:06:00, BSarro wrote:

"Professionals? Who? Ginger? Sara? Cayo? Niles? Pleeeaaasssseeee.


How's the National Mental Health Association?  Is that professional enough for you?

http://www.nmha.org/children/justjuv/bootcamp.cfm

Experts agree that a confrontational approach is not appropriate. Most correctional and military experts agree that a confrontational model, employing tactics of intimidation and humiliation, is counterproductive for most youth in the juvenile justice system. The use of this kind of model has led to disturbing incidents of abuse. For youth of color (who represent the vast majority of the juveniles sentenced to boot camps)-as well as for youth with emotional, behavioral, or learning problems-degrading tactics may be particularly inappropriate and potentially damaging. The bullying style and aggressive interactions that characterize the boot camp environment fail to model the pro-social behavior and development of empathy that these youth really need to learn.

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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2005, 10:18:00 PM »
oh my god, you are kidding! what a stretch that is saying wwasps is trying to prevent this, in my opinion the create it! i heard about the boy in texas that went to casa and is now on death row! don't you get it?
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2005, 10:21:00 PM »
I find it amusing how you insult me yet refuse to take me head on.

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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2005, 10:24:00 PM »
nih,
that first write is crazy in my opinion. can you believe they believe wwasps helps them?
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2005, 10:49:00 PM »
this is so crazy it needs to be brought to the attn of other parents for there thoughts.
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2005, 11:14:00 PM »
Not that I think you'll actually read these or agree, but here are a few "professional" opinions against the aggregation of teens and the use of BM. Enjoy!

http://www.wpic.pitt.edu/aacp/Vol-15-3/Youth.html
http://www.apa.org/journals/amp/amp549755.html
http://deoxy.org/creative.htm
http://www.postinstitute.com/articles/a ... iormod.htm
http://www.nmha.org/children/justjuv/
http://www.ascd.org/readingroom/edupdate/1996/1sep.html
http://www.aifs.org.au/nch/issues1.html
http://www.here2listen.com/public/topic ... hment.html
http://www.nncc.org/221/classnotes/April17.html
http://www.naturalchild.com/sidney_crai ... hment.html
http://www.pai-ca.org/newsltrs/issue64/metrokid.htm

And, excerpted from Craig, Sidney D. Raising Your Child, not by Force but by Love, Westminster Press, Philadelphia, 1973, pp. 95-98, by permission of the publishers.
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Coercion is defined as the use of force to restrain, dominate or threat.

Coercion is incompatible with true happiness.

The belief that people will not work hard unless coerced is an insidious belief.

Anything coerced is not fun.

For example:

Forced sex is rape.

Use of physical force is abuse/violence

Would you enjoy food if you were force fed?

Forceable restraint of children (holding therapy) in the name of love is not therapeutic!

Compulsory schooling is incompatible with learning

Highest productivity cannot be achieved by force.

Threat of unemployment is coercion

Threat of punishment is coercion.

You cannot coerce curiosity.

Coercion creates learned helplessness.

You cannot coerce someone to love you.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

War is when two nations are attempting to coerce each other.

Use of deadly force is destructive, and leads to chaos.

Coercion involves pain, and involves the discounting of feeling.

Obligation is forced relationships.

"Control breeds the need for more control, which is then used to justify the use of control. "  --from: Kohn, Alfie (1990)."The Brighter Side of Human Nature; Altruism Empathy in Everyday Life."Basic Books:NY. 400 pp.

Freedom is the opposite of coercion. Paradoxically, we must limit our freedoms in order to gain freedom. For example, we limit our freedom and all agree to drive on one side of the road. We write this rule down in a book, it is called a law. Through the enactment of this law, we increase our freedom of safe travel. Our responsibility is the observance of these rules that we mutually agreed upon. There are mechanisms for change, and it is the responsibility of government to be responsive to the people in enacting the most satisfactory system of law.

Socrates said: "Nothing of value comes if forced?" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The key to understanding human behavior lies in understanding the feelings that underlie and produce the behavior. The key to guiding children's behavior into socially desirable channels consists in knowing how to create in the child those positive, loving feelings which will produce positive, loving, and, therefore, non-delinquent behavior. Or, conversely, the key lies in the parents' avoiding the production, cumulatively, of those angry feelings in the child which will produce angry, negativistic, delinquent behavior. Unfortunately nature has introduced several factors into the parent-child relationship that make it extremely difficult for even the most sincere, well-meaning parent to convey to the child his/her true, loving feelings. The first of these is the complex nature of love itself.

There is no "speedy" way to train children to behave properly. What appears to be rapid training must always depend on the fear of pain [or some other unpleasant feeling], and fear of pain achieves only one end: it empties the "love bank"*, setting the stage for later difficulty.
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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2005, 10:16:00 AM »
that is a lot of information. do you have your own webstie with all this. it is so important to be out there. thanks
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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2005, 01:56:00 PM »
For the ill-informed person who wrote "Professionals? Who? Ginger? Sara? Cayo? Niles? Pleeeaaasssseeee." How about the Association of Child and Adolescent Psychiatric Nursing.....Quite professional I'd say....

Association of Child and Adolescent Psychiatric Nursing
A Division of the International Society of Psychiatric Mental Health Nurses

A position regarding the detention of minor children in psychiatric treatment facilities, drug and alcohol treatment facilities, residential treatment facilities, and "behavior modification boarding schools."

§ All children have the right to be treated with dignity and free from mistreatment, abuse, neglect, and exploitation.

§ ACAPN opposes the abduction and involuntary transport of children to facilities for confinement unless such measures have been clinically justified in specific, operational terms by a licensed mental health professional with the legal authority to do so. In the event that such tactics are necessary for the immediate protection of the child and/or society, the child must have access to an appeal process commensurate with the same right of habeas corpus available to every citizen of the United States of America.

§ Children have the right to appropriate treatment in the least restrictive available setting in the event that treatment is necessary.

This setting must be one that provides the highest likelihood for improvement and that is not more restrictive of their physical liberty than is needed for their own protection or for the protection of society.

§ Prior to the child's admission a copy of their rights (written in clear and understandable language) should be given to them and explained to them verbally by a licensed staff member. A duplicate copy should be given to the child's family members(s) or guardian(s). If owing to the child's condition at the time of admission, the child has not understood his/her rights, a licensed staff member will provide an explanation to the child within 24 hours and periodically until some degree of understanding is reached. The necessity for repeating the rights communication process will be documented, signed, and dated. In the event that the child is very young, the rights should be explained to them in a way commensurate with their level of understanding.

Professional registered nurses, as directed by the A.N.A. code of ethics, are obliged to assure that the rights of children and families are in no way violated.

§ Prior to admission the child and his/her family or guardian(s) has the right to be informed of all institutional rules and regulations and consequence/reward structure concerning their conduct and course of treatment. These should be clearly stated in writing and a copy should be provided to all parties for reference purposes.

§ Treatment (including behavior modification procedures, therapies, educational activities) provided by any facility, including psychiatric hospitals, drug and alcohol treatment centers, residential treatment facilities, and "behavior modification boarding schools") must be professionally and clinically justifiable. This means that procedures to which children are subjected must be defensible as being within the realm of professional psychiatric standards of practice and affirmed by empirical research data as being appropriate.

§ ACAPN affirms the right of children to talk and write to persons outside the detainment facility at any time during their detainment without having such communication censored or monitored unless such monitoring is clinically justifiable (and justified) for the safety of the child or others. This right includes the right to contact an attorney.

§ ACAPN opposes any prohibition on barriers to communication imposed by any facility including rigid and restrictive visiting policies, policies that restrict parents from visiting their children, limited access to telephones, and barriers to mail service.

§ ACAPN opposes any and all punitive measures. Children should not be physically restrained (restriction of body parts by device or by placement in an isolated, locked room) unless every avenue of prevention of harm to themselves or others has been exhausted. The successive steps employed in the prevention of aggressive behavior must be clearly stated in specific operational terms. In the event that such restraint becomes necessary it should be done humanely and in accordance to standard aggressive behavior management (ABM) protocol by persons who have been trained and who have received instruction in ABM prior to their exposure to clinical situations. Children's face and head must never be obstructed at anytime. The restraint must be applied while the child is in a supine position. Any medication administered to the child must be ordered by (physician or advanced practice nurse) and administered by a licensed professional. Children should never be left alone while in restraints or while secluded. The duration of physical restraint of any kind should extend only until the child is sufficiently in control of him/herself to no longer pose a threat to themselves or to others.

Restraints must be "broken" every 2 hours at a minimum, the child should be offered fluids, toileting, and vital signs should be taken. Restraint orders must be re-written every 24 hours after the child is evaluated by a licensed professional with legal authority to do so. All restraint procedures must be justified in writing and in specific, individual, operational (as opposed to general) terms.

§ Children have the right to be cared for in a developmentally appropriate way by competent certified professionals who have had both the salient education and experience commensurate with working with a pediatric population. They have the right to therapies that are rendered by persons who have the appropriate education and training in those therapies. Treatment and therapies must be temporally and developmentally geared in such a way that they are meaningful to children.

§ Children have the right to have access to an advocacy group (such as Advocacy Inc.) as well as access to support groups such as the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill. Advocacy groups and their telephone numbers should displayed in a prominent place where all patients can see them. When advocates are called, they must have free access to patients/clients.

§ Children have the right to review the information in their medical record with supervision. The right extends to the child's family or guardian.

§ Children have the right to have their records kept private and to be told about the conditions under which information about them will be disclosed without their permission.

§ Children and their families have the right to a treatment plan that is individually developed for their situations.....

There's  much more than this.  Several more articles are on this website
http://www.emancipationproject.org
click on professionals :wave:  :wave:
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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2005, 02:21:00 PM »
excellent article. this needs to put out there.
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2005, 08:50:00 PM »
Niles,                                                            How have I refused to tackle you head on? That's an unbelieveable statement on your part.
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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2005, 08:58:00 PM »
And as far as the experts Deborah and others provided, fine I will play your game. So experts are both pro and anti on the topics. What is the tiebreaker? Haldol has been proven to help kids function better in school and out of school. Same thing for te progrms.They have a proven track record.Just read some testomonials.Stories of LIVES SAVED!One such place to start reading some testomonials is WWASPRebuttal.Com.

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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2005, 09:00:00 PM »
Please show me these experts who advocate Haldol for kids in school!!!  Deb and I gave you sites of professionals.  I haven't seen ANY from you.

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