Hey Life 82, what's up? You sound like you might be a bit discouraged by what you are seeing and hearing here. You got to do what works for you. If other people seem not to care, then fuckem, you know? Jeez. I went into the gung-ho mode and helped get a reunion together here in Virginia. Since then, no calls, boring, seemingly dead movement, ignoring, fuckin with people, just plain bullshit. Where's the movers and shakers? Probably still lurking in the shadows. I guarantee if someone succeeds in getting Sembler and Co. to fork over some serious dough for our troubles, then there will be a lot of "Hey, I was there" people coming out of the woodwork. It would be nice if they would do this now, but it just aint happenin that way. Well, we shall see. It will take time. DOn't give up. I know you or I can't make people care, but they might be the wrong people to tell in the first place. One positive note, one of the Reunion attendees told me he was ready to kill himself one last time, after a couple unsuccesful attempts, then someone called him about this Reunion and he couldn't pass it up. After the event died down, he came over to me and thanked me for about 5 minutes about how knowing other people who were in the program cared enough this many years later to meet and talk about issues that we deal with in the present, as well as the past. Basically it saved his life, at least for the time being. This may be something to work on in your area. Try to get a meeting of surviving clients and just BS about life in general. Hope this helps, or whatever, I am dedicated activist in the Movement, I will not give up. BTW... I wish Clay and I could get along.... I miss his posts on the other site. MG8