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Stripe:
Hey Marshall,

I see that "inside the group/outside the group" mentality in lots and lots of churches these days.  
It is sad, but I hesitate to attend any formal religous services for this very reason.   There's just no place for individual thought unless you attend anonymously, never give your real name, or go to a different town.

Thom:
For years I had a general dis-trust for anything 'churchy' I had formed my impression of God based on the behavior of a few people. Today I understand that God is God, and people are people. People will eventually not live up to my expectations. My spiritual life now is centered on God, and when possible, enjoyed and shared with other people. I do belong to a 'church' where I enjoy good fellowship w/people, and I'm grateful for it, but I can worship God all by my lonesome too.
I have visited churches where I either just didn't sense God's presence (I know...He's everywhere) and others where I strongly sensed the presence of His adversary at work. (i left in a hurry!) These days, My God comes in many different denominations, but not 10's and 20's. I shy away from the big 'palace' type church buildings. I can't justify putting out that kind of cash on decorations when there are millions of people scratching around for food. When Jesus walked the Earth, he was into building people. Seems like that's a good example for us. So...where am I headed with this?.. I don't know, just thought I'd throw out some stuff to consider.

marshall:
Thom, are you the guy that art used to bring up before the group to play guitar? (this was 76-77) or am I confusing you with someone else?

Thom:
No, Marshall, I'm the other Thom who used to sing with him. I was saddened to learn the other day, in a different topic that he died some years ago. He was a very talented musician, and fun to be around. I'm grieving a bit. I remember one time we took a road trip to the Cleveland Seed. Art wanted us to sing a few songs for the group. That was an adventure. I learned about 'bridges ice before roads' on that trip. Learning to drive in S. Fla, I had little experience on ice. Somewhere in Ohio, in my little Toyota Corolla wagon, I hit a slick spot and made at least 2 complete 360's, crossing into a bunch of other lanes and stuff. There was quite a bit of traffic on the road, yet we didn't hit anything. I credit the grace of God, and the skill of the local drivers for that one. Are you one of the guys from All-benny? Art used to get such a kick out of the accent thing. He had us saying 'grits and eggs' whenever a GA guy was at bat when we played softball.

marshall:
I'm sorry to hear of his death. Thanks for clearing that up. Yes, I'm from close to all-benny. Grits & eggs...that's what I just had for breakfast.  :smile:

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