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The Seed-------Did Art Barker succeed?
Stripe:
Don'tyou think all of these pyramid sales schemes work the same way? Obviously, everyone needs to make a living, but it seems to me it takes advatage of a needy mindset and victimizes the participants.
My son had an experience similar to Antigen's when we lived in Michigan. He called for a job interview and was strung along for a couple of weeks and then a big to do was made about allowing him the opportunity to participate. Long story short, I had to go pick the boy up at a gas station in 20 degree weather. The operators had told these kids the product would sell itself- all they had to do was present the opportunity to public.. The amamzing, life altering opportuinty??? Street level sales of a local restuarant discount book.
For some people, NOT THE TRULY DRUG ADDICTED SUPPORTERS, the Seed was sold in the same fashion - taking advantge of fearful people, creating self-doubt and dependency. Here it is, you can't live without it and if you don't take it, you'll endup deadinsaneorinjail. What bullshit.
Antigen:
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For some people, NOT THE TRULY DRUG ADDICTED SUPPORTERS, the Seed was sold in the same fashion - taking advantge of fearful people, creating self-doubt and dependency. Here it is, you can't live without it and if you don't take it, you'll endup deadinsaneorinjail. What bullshit.
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I think that nails it. The scary part, though, is that they have onverted so many influential people that they actually have the power to make someone deadinsaneorinjail if they won't come along voluntarily.
That's my primary beef w/ the whole thing. Stepcraft is a religion. That's not just my opinion, but the opinion of every court that's ever heard the question. And religion is fine so long as it's voluntary. If it works for you, great! But it's just nuts to try and convert people by force or to stick w/ it for a lifetime when it's clearly not working for you.
They know that it is human nature to take up causes whereby a man may oppress his neighbor, no matter how unjustly. ... Hence they have had no trouble in finding men who would preach the damnability and heresy of the new doctrine from the very pulpit.
--Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer
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Fran:
Thanks for your imput...I think the seed experience has given us all an instinct on things like pyramid scheming or cult like motivational meetings that put shivers down our spine and make us run the other way.
Ft. Lauderdale:
Actually, the Seed experience did give me a good instinct on how I feel about people- wheather to trust or not. Usually it holds true. I can also remember talking in the group about becomming institutionalized & how this was not tolerated and people need to become themselves and stand for something not just going along with the crowd. I always seemed to buck the system and somehow it was tolerated. :grin:
GregFL:
You seem to be the exception to the rule Ft Laud. Most people felt extreme pressure to conform right down to the color of socks and matching belt.
Yes stripe, there is a common thread running thru all these motivatinal seminars, pyramid sales schemes, and stepcraft meetings. Not so much philisophically as in the mechanics of how they whip people up and procur converts. My son has an experience with CUTCO knives, responded to an add and ended up in a fucked up Knife selling snafu with cultic undertones.
The major difference? Forced coercion and attendance and total isolation from the outside world.
It is a whopper of a difference.
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