Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore
getting abused at the whitmore
Gmom:
--- Quote ---On 2005-06-18 11:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"gmom there is more to that story than you know its getting a little clearer why you are angry since tha was what you were told. The truth will eventually come out but i have to respect those boys parents privacy. I do however understand loyalty to a friend and its clear joyce is your friend so good for you that you stick by her thats admirable but some of the things you printed about her intentions arent true but it is not my place to clarify, hope you understand."
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This has nothing to do with parents' privacy. I think, it is you who does not know the whole story. Do you know Joyce personally? How would you know her intentions? This also has nothing to do with friendship or loyality. This has to do with kids getting abused at Whitmore. These kids that have come forward are not fabricating stories. And I'll give you a little clue about Mrs. Sudweeks. She called my granddaughter and threatened her about saying anything that goes on at the Whitmore. I talked to my granddaughter immediately after it happened.
Listen to your son. Or better yet, ask him about kids who were spit at among other things.
Those things did happen. I have talked to KIDS who have varified that these abusive things happened and they participated.
Am I angry??? No. Am I determined? Yes. Am I concerned for other kids who might be sent to Whitmore? Yes. Am I sorry for the kids who have left and are not believed by their parents? Yes.
Imagine, if you were one of the kids that was sent to Whitmore. Imagine having the things that have been discussed here happen to you. Then, imagine if your own mother, the person who is supposed to protect you and help you, turns a deaf year and supports your abusers.
How scared and alone and betrayed do you think that kid feels? Especially, at the very time in their life they need your support, when they are growing into a young adult, which is hard enough.
I think, from what Chris has said about you financially cutting him off, that is the little ring you have through his nose. You said yourself, when he got out of Whitmore, he wanted to close down all places like that. There was a reason -- a good reason, and he has told that reason to others. I believe, he tells you what you want to hear -- it's survival for him.
When you have come on here, in support of the Sudweeks or Sue Scheff, it's condoning the abuse some of these kids experienced, without even knowing what the evidence is. It seems to me, it would be best to say nothing, as you, obviously, know nothing.
[ This Message was edited by: Gmom on 2005-06-18 15:18 ]
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-06-18 13:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"shame on you to turn ones words i said god is all about love and have never used it in relation to whitmore only in reference to my own personal beliefs. I believe that mark and cheryl are mormon and i dont know one thing about their faith so if you are going to lie at least leave jesus out of it."
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Personally, I have friends who are Mormon. This isn't about Mormonism, although I don't think it's a coincidence that Utah is the home of abusive programs. The Saints have a history of covering for each other and/or looking the other way. It's only been recently that the Utah authorities have started cracking down on practicing polygamists ... and as it turns out, the teen help industry.
Point is Mary ... anyone who abuses children is evil ... wake up and smell the coffee, will ya?
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-06-18 13:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I think you need to re read my post i believe i said i know nothing about cults and cant understand how anyone can fall for them if what they represent is evil because those that understand god know he is all about love. I fear nothing as there are no skeletons in my closet."
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Mary, this is probably a waste of keystrokes, but... people fall for cults for one simple reason; they don't know anything about cults and so they don't recognize one when they see it.
Read up on cults and maybe the light will go off.
Marijuana clearly has medicinal value.
Thousands of seriously ill Americans have
been able to determine that for themselves,
albeit illegally. Like my own family, these
individuals did not wish to break the law but
they had no choice.
--Lyn Nofziger, former deputy chairman of the Republican National Committee
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Anonymous:
gmom you dont know what you are talking about who do you think paid for his 500 dollar phone bill to talk to joyce harris and lets see that apt and food. stop lying
Anonymous:
I'm not lying, just repeating your son's words. I also thought you said your son didn't call Joyce Harris, that he called her. Let's get it straight.
Besides all that, what about the betrayal he is feeling from his own mother???? If you don't think that is there, then you are not thinking. Put yourself in the same place he is in.
I personally saw two boys humilitated by making them work in the 100+ weather in girl's clothes for two days. Do you think that is okay? To humiliate young teenage boys to punish them for their behavior?
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