Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore
getting abused at the whitmore
mom2three:
"The trial judge found that sometime before
January 3, 2001, seven horses escaped or were released from
the south pasture. They were seized by a Ministry of Forests
employee on January 4, 2001, all in reasonable condition."
This quote is from the court transcript and maybe this is what these kids are talking about. These seven were seized by a ministry of forest employee before the seizure at the Lodge as they were wandering and they obviously were able to find food and water outside of the pasture.
Since he was not part of the SPCA or the RCMP, he would have had to give them to the Sudweeks. He couldnt even turn them into the SPCA since they were in reasonable condition, the SPCA would have only been able to charge them for their animals being at large since they were at the time in reasonable condition.
From my understanding of the law, The SPCA could not seize them as the rules of the SPCA clearly state that if an animal has food, shelter and water, regardless as to how it is obtained, it cannot be seized and those horses did obtain those things albeit for themselves. There are cases where well meaning people feed and water neglected dogs who have been told that as long as "someone" is feeding the animal the SPCA cannot step in.
It is a misconception that they have the power to automatically seize any animal they believe the owner is abusing. Even when the animal is wandering around, the most they can do is fine you for the animal being at large unless their physical condition indicates neglect or abuse and even then, they cannot always do something. There are rules.
It would seem from the transcript that 29 horses were seized of the 39. This means some of them were not included in the seizure and those 7 were probably included in the 10 not seized. it does not negate the suffering of the 29 seized that some of them were in "reasonable" condition, but it does is tell you that those seized must have been in frightful condition that they felt they had grounds to seize them! It is not a testiment to the Sudweeks' good care that they were able to keep some of them it just means the SPCA did not have enough power to keep them.
By the time the ruling came down, the horses not included in the seizure were out of the country and out of the jurisdiction of the BC SPCA so they could not be seized. Had they remained in Canada, they most likely would have been as Mark now has a ban against him preventing him from ever owning another animal in BC. That is why you rode those horses. It has nothing to do with them not neglecting them.
I repeat: The fact that some of those animals were "in reasonable condition" does not negate the fact that 29 others were starving. It only means some of them were able to get free of their barren pasture and found food but they were unfortunately returned to their abusers due to a loop hole in the law. That is NOTHING to be proud of and certainly does not prove 29 horses did not suffer terribly.
mikeymouse:
mom2three you have no fucking idea what your talking about I was there for that and they were not released we were all at the school building so y don't you get your facts straight, also which kid of yours went to whitmore
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-01-27 17:56:00, schacherer wrote:
"I recently posted a part of my story about the Whitmore. I was just reading some of the past articles about the Whitmore and I cam across one about abuse. While I was at the Whitmore I had kissed one of the boys there and we had a marathon group about it. The group started at about 6:30 at night and did't end until about 3:00 in the morning. The next day we were made to get up on schedule at 5:00. Anyways, after the group one of the girls Anneliese came up to me upstairs where I was in the closet room (where I was made to sleep for a week) and she said she wanted to talk to me. One of the things she started out with was "Cheryl told me to come up here and teach you a lesson, and she also gave me permission to do whatever the hell I wanted to do to you because you and just a little slut and a whore, you are worthless and thats why you do things with boys" after she was finished talking she got real close to my face and spit in it, after that she slapped me on the cheek a couple of times adn then she punched me in the stomache. There was nothing I could do because no body else was around and this girl was about 150lbs or more than me. I was so scared and there wasn't anything I could do about it.
The next time I got in trouble we had gone to Lake Powell and while we were there I stole pills from one of the boys there, they were prescription pills that Mark and Cheryl knew about that he had in his backpack, anyway me and two fo the other girls took them together. When we got caught Cheryl brought us into a room and yelled at me, but the other two girls she said that she felt sorry for so she was hugging them and telling them that she understood. Then she made them leave the room. When they left she started cussing at me and then threw a stack of huge books at me. Then she came up to me and spit on me and pulled my hair and practically threw me over a chair. Again there was nothing I could do.
There was also another incident with the boys, there was a boy named Tony in the program when I had forst gotten there, he got in trouble for something and some of the boys that were mad at him asked Cheryl if the could beat him up, and she said "what i dont know anything about it if anyone asks" so they took the boy out on the side of the mansion where they park the cars and they (dusty, rob, aaron, cory, brian, and a few of other boys just started kicking him and punching him and they got him on the ground and they hit his head on one of the cars and they were hurting him really bad. He couldnt do anything.
Cheryl doesn't care about anything but herself. I think she takes drugs that don't belong to her. In june of 2004 i fell off of my horse and i broke my ribs and sprained my ribs and i had a few pretty big bumps on my head, i got three bottles of pills, lorotabs, ibproufin 800, and perkasets. they are pain killers, well i didnt take very many of them because my mom said that they werent good for me and plus they made me sick so there were a lot left in the bottles. I went home in july and i moved back to Utah to live on my own in the beginning of August, i went back to the Whitmore to get the pills so I could send them to my mom and there was one lorotab left and about 3 ibproufins, and i wondered where did the rest of my pills go? I had asked Cheryl and she said she didnt know. How is this a good place to send your child when they are missing pills? Mark and Cheryl always leave their downstairs bedroom door open and unlocked, its not hard to go down there and get whatever you want, trust me, i know."
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so long ago
Anonymous:
Why Mickeymouse, you were just there for every little event, huh? JUST HOW MANY YEARS were you locked up...uh I mean enrolled, at the Whitmore?
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