Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore
getting abused at the whitmore
Gmom:
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"gmom clearly you dont read my post i never speak for anyone else i say that nothing ever happened to my son and that is what he maintains till this day. mary"
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Nothing that he has chosen to tell you maybe. I remember a post here not too long ago from him to you pleading with you to believe what he has been telling you for the past year about the Sudweeks. One thing I remember he said was that they are not what they appear to be. He has also told other adults of things that he observed happening to other children at the Whitmore. He also has said that you would cut off any financial support ,if he did not come on Fornit's and apologize to Cheryl or about what he had previously said about Cheryl.
Why is it, do you think, that he had a hand in helping four kids leave Whitmore? Do you suppose it's because it's such a wonderful place? Come on. Don't you even question a little bit?
Because if you don't, you have got your head in the sand or you are getting something in return for your support. Are you by any chance a friend or affilated with Sue Scheff?
And why don't you address the facts that I posted to you about the kids that did get abused. You seem to just step right over that issue.
You know, the issue is not you or me or any other person who did not walk the walk. The issue is that kids were abused, assaulted, humilated.
When you come on here and say how wonderful the Sudweeks are, you degrade every kid that was at the Sudweeks mercy. Everytime you support Sue Scheff, you are as guilty as she is in sending kids to a place where they will be abused. What kind of person does that.
We were also lied to, as well as many other people. If the Sudweeks are doing "God's Work," then I'd rather be on the side of the devil.
Anonymous:
Mary, I would really like to understand where you are coming from, and I do not mean that to be derogitory or accusistory.
I do not believe for a moment that all supporters are evil or stupid and hope that you can also acknowledge that not all of us who question the Sudweeks' practices are evil or stupid. If we can agree to that end, perhaps some meaningful conversation can happen that will help all concerned.
The families who are angry because their children have stated that they were mistreated. Can you not understand their anger? of course you can, you believe that Chris was harmed at Ivy Ridge and that must be a source of pain for you. Some of your posts have elluded to this.
Are you aware that there are parents and kids who went to or are going to Ivy Ridge who say that those who "claim" abuse are liars and complainers? What do you say to them? How is this any different Mary? Why is it so hard for you to simply consider the possability that these kids from Whitmore who are speaking out ARE telling the truth? Put yourself in the shoes that you yourself have worn!
Mary, I do understand this must be difficult for you, as difficult for me to think anything these people do is good. However, I do think they possibly did help some kids, I just think they have gone too far and I question their tactics. The ends do not justify the means. Is one life more important than another? Just because Chris may have been helped does that make it OK that someone else was harmed?
As a parent, I understand the decision to send your child into treatment must have been heart wrenching for you and of course you are grateful he has returned to you. That does not mean you owe them to turn a blind eye to everything else that goes on there. They were paid very well to help your son, you paid your debt to them quite literally in cash.
I also imagine how difficult it might be to consider that you were wrong about your choice of schools a second time. One day I hope you will know that you did the best you could at the time, and you were not the only one who was fooled.
I wish you well, from where I stand I think you may have a few difficult monthes ahead of you and I only pray that you and Chris continue to heal and develop your relationship to its fullest.
Anonymous:
Gmom will probably not get an answer to any of her questions directed to mary gentile. Perhaps some ramblings, but no answers.
Anonymous:
well i wish i knew who you were because i am impressed that you feel as i do that it is so destructive to be hostile to anyone on here that just wants the best for their child and will be happy to answer your questions. Well to the the question about the parents at ivy ridge all I say is i am glad that it didnt happen to their child but the reason i know for sure it happened to my child was that he had bruises and rashes in places that were clearly fron hours of face down torture. This was documented by a doctor. Also the day i got him out one of the workers admited that bad things were happening to him because he fought them till the end. Doesnt make it right. Also some of the things were so bad that they have not been posted to protect my sons privacy and you could not imagine it if you tried it is so unspeakable and there is more i dont knoww but remember my son had to have medical care. As for your question about whitmore there are kids that were in the same roomthat say the opposite of what other kids in the room said. They conflict each other. I am still in touch with many kids that are not there and the disagree with accounts i have heard on the web. So i am not god it is not my place to believe one child over another, i do however believe my son, that he was never mistreated there. However look at what happened when i got on here to clarify the truth about things that were printed about me. First they tried to question my education and called me al kinds of names when it could not be discredited, then they called me a mother whose kids are a burden to society and should not be allowed to reproduce, and they have said i should burn in hell. So unfortunately its hard to believe or consider any thing as truth when the very people that are telling the events are out right lying about me someone they dont know. Having said that I do appreciate your position and the rational way that you presented it and i thank you for your well wishes with my son and i and i sincerely wish you the same with your child.
Anonymous:
gmom i will be happy to answer you i have never met sue scheff and she did not send my son to whitmore so i have no idea where that is coming from. as for my son he did not help 4 kids leave whitmore alex was his girlfriend and wanted to go home that was her idea not chris's and she will probably tell you that if you ask her. Also my son wasnt even in utah when the 3 boys left and joyce harris bought their plane tickets but this is already known but i dont want to speak concerning those boys out of respect for their parents it is not my place. mary
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