ok, its very clear to me that there are 2 schools, im, not sure where line is drawn,, lets say 87. the ones who went after that seem to have a totally diff story to tellheres my analogy,,,, to guys are sitting at a bar, both have been ass raped recently, 1 by a mouse, the other by a horse,,,,the mouse guys says ,, ya i been assraped, but it wasnt that bad, what are u bitchin bout u idiot,, while the guy that was fucked by a horse can only groan,,,,,, :smokin: