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Anonymous:

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until eventually they were forced to change the name to strait, but notice that for years thye kept their mouth shut about seed. it was like once thye changed the name for them art and libbi never existed when it was obvious that at seed (unlike straight) love made the difference."

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I want some of what he/she is smoking.   :rofl:  :rofl:

90's Guy:
When the seed packed up and closed, ALL OF THEM went to Ft lauderdale. All the staff was hand picked by Art and everything done there was done at the direction of Art.


Greg, you are right, I have since learned that the Seed left St. Pete cause they did not agree with the way that parents wanted things dome their. If Art would have wanted to he would have catered to the stupid whims of rich parents, but he chose to take the hard road and not allow them to distort his programs, which they did distort in the form of Straight. But you know very well that Straight did not have the loyal staff that the Seed did and at the Seed you could not blow holes into the staff sitting onose stools because they lived up to what they talked about. Straight was a business, not a family "that was meant to be together." And you know this Greg!

Antigen:
You're dead wrong, 90's guy. Seed staff never lived up to their dogma either. You couldn't blow holes in them because there were serious consequences for criticizing staff. Same w/ Straight.

You really think it was just coincidence that Art pulled up stakes right after he lost his NIDA expansion funding? And all that bad publicity in the papers had no effect either? How can you be so gullible?

The one grain of truth to the version you've been told is that the parents and staff who founded Straight did want a kinder, gentler program. So that's just what Mel and Betty told them they would do in order to get their money and time.

But that's not what happened. The first BOD member to speak up about it found himself ruined financially. So the next one to bail out invented a reason; forced haircuts. The argument wasn't about the relative therapeutic value of holding a kid down and taking his hair w/o his cooperation, but the insurance liability. Essentially, the argument was "you'll put someone's eye out!"

But Straight staff and Seed staff were just the same. In fact the original Straight staff were former Seed staffers. They also lived in Staff apartments, worked for less than minimum wage, drove ratty old cars and all the rest.

The really interesting part of the story is what went on behind the scenes. Of course, us mushrooms in group didn't know anything about any of this, and the parents knew very little either. But the funding followed the Semblers. NIDA was prohibited from cutting the checks after the Ervin report, but LEAA just ignored that prohibition and nobody ever made an issue of it.

Bobby DuPont also stuck w/ the Semblers. As late as the early `90's, he testified as an expert wittness on behalf of Straight when they were sued. And he also signed onto an amicus brief written by DFAF (fka Straight, Inc.) opposing Angel Raich. Same MFer who gave Art some millions in NIDA grants is still beating the drums for DFAF.

Here's Wes' blog on DFAF
http://drugfreeamericafoundation.blogspot.com/
They serve so that we don't have to. They offer to give up their lives so that we can be free. It is, remarkably, their gift to us. And all they ask for in return is that we never send them into harm's way unless it is absolutely necessary. Will they ever trust us again?

Michael More
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GregFL:

--- Quote ---On 2005-04-15 22:39:00, 90's Guy wrote:

" When the seed packed up and closed, ALL OF THEM went to Ft lauderdale. All the staff was hand picked by Art and everything done there was done at the direction of Art.




Greg, you are right, I have since learned that the Seed left St. Pete cause they did not agree with the way that parents wanted things dome their. If Art would have wanted to he would have catered to the stupid whims of rich parents, but he chose to take the hard road and not allow them to distort his programs, which they did distort in the form of Straight. But you know very well that Straight did not have the loyal staff that the Seed did and at the Seed you could not blow holes into the staff sitting onose stools because they lived up to what they talked about. Straight was a business, not a family "that was meant to be together." And you know this Greg!"

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Not really. The seed was more of a personality cult, not a family. Families don't disown each other for having different opinions.

some straight associates are together to this day...they would take great exception to what you say.

In the final result, straight, inc. was the seed, all dressed up for the prom, but without a prom date.

It too failed because the basic premise, like the seed, was a fraud.

GregFL:
reread ginger's post above. It is spot on. I have inside information to corroborate everything she says about the early straight...

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