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« Reply #60 on: February 27, 2005, 02:19:00 PM »
Just to clarify, I believe he went into a coma on Christmas day, and finally succumbed after 14 days off life support. I may be wrong, but this is what I was told. So were fact misrepresented? I don't think so, so have a little empathy for those who suffered, and don't be so quick to judge.
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« Reply #61 on: February 27, 2005, 02:48:00 PM »
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so have a little empathy for those who suffered,


I have great sympathy for those who have suffered at the hands of AARC.

If only there were evil people somewhere, insidiously committing evil
deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?
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« Reply #62 on: February 27, 2005, 05:22:00 PM »
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On 2005-02-27 11:19:00, Anonymous wrote:

So were fact misrepresented? I don't think so, so have a little empathy for those who suffered, and don't be so quick to judge.


Oh, I absolutely do. And I don't think it's right at all to use this tragedy to pile the AARC legend a little higher and deeper.

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« Reply #63 on: February 27, 2005, 07:23:00 PM »
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On 2005-02-27 11:19:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Just to clarify, I believe he went into a coma on Christmas day, and finally succumbed after 14 days off life support. I may be wrong, but this is what I was told. So were fact misrepresented? I don't think so, so have a little empathy for those who suffered, and don't be so quick to judge."

Multiple Choice Exam
Now that you've had a chance to read this thread again, here is a multiple choice comprehension test:
1. Andrew Mazure died on
a  January 8, 2005
b. After attending AARC in 1999
c. After graduating from AARC
d. While on bail
e. All of the above
f. None of the above
g. This is really a trick question

2. Andrew Mazur died of
a. A suicide by overdosing on pills
b. After taking a speed-ball on Christmas day
c. Natural causes
d. from falling down an elevator shaft
e. we don't know
c. he was murdered

3. Andrew Mazur was sent to AARC
a. when he was 15
b. when he was twenty
c. because he was an addict
d. because he was behaviourally disordered

4. He was ordered into AARC by:
a. his parents
b. the courts
c. social services
d. youth justice (solicitor general)
e. none of the above, he went voluntarily.

please do tell, AARC supporters, so that we can get the story straight.(excuse the pun)
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« Reply #64 on: April 06, 2006, 03:55:00 PM »
Andrew Mazur was sent to AARC by his parents when he was 15, because of a drug problem as well as behaviorial problems. He dies on January 8 2005 after being in a coma for 14 days He took morphine on Dec 25, and went into a coma. After attending and graduating AARC in 1999 There are your answers. Trust me i know I was the girl he was going to marry.
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« Reply #65 on: April 22, 2006, 12:53:00 PM »
"Graduated" 1999.  Died 5 years later from a drug overdose.  Great going AARC
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« Reply #66 on: April 24, 2006, 11:25:00 AM »
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""Graduated" 1999.  Died 5 years later from a drug overdose.  Great going AARC  "


Yes, great going AARC! Thanks for giving Andrew the choice to lead either a sober and positive life or the the one he did choose. Thanks for giving his family a place to go for support and friendship. Thanks for not "brainwashing" him, but giving him the ability to take responsibility for his choices and actions. Thanks for not closing the door on him once he chose to go back to drugs. Addiction kills. AARC can temporarily take a kid out of the lifestyle and give them skills to get them mentally and physically healthy. No one holds a gun to a graduates head so they won't relapse. They are either attracted to a drug free life or not.
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« Reply #67 on: April 27, 2006, 03:26:00 PM »
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""Graduated" 1999.  Died 5 years later from a drug overdose.  Great going AARC  "
You fuckin meathead... I wouldnt give you a 2 piece puzzle to try and figure out. He had the choice of being clean and happy and decided against it.

For people so intent on free will, you sure don't lend it credit when it looks bad for you..
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« Reply #68 on: April 27, 2006, 11:52:00 PM »
its so depressing..... THe leaps of anti logic you subject your poor knotted brain to when trying to explain away how a kid who was a "graduate" of your program ended up dying means that .....AARC needs more support to help kids!!!
Honestly, AARC doesnt take credit for sucesses' of prisoners? Perhaps anyone interested in this bullshit should go to the Albertal Web site and check out its "sucess's" page
This would lead one to suspect that it indeed credits itself with the sucess of its "graduates".--that being on its page and all


..but one doesnt really need to do that to be aware of the bullshit of the pathetic and grotesque poster above. Listening to him is like listening to the Bush administration recently try to deny they ever said that Iraq had WWMD.... the same semantical cowardice.

You are either  trying to lie youre culpibility  away , or as   a "cult member"...your identity is so based in your cult's omnipotent infallibility that you subject us all to bizare contradictions to deny what is absurdly plain- Your prison did not help this graduate.

Obviously, we cannot expect you to admit that your prison beat this child into the pulp that he became....that which is was merely true-

Id like to invite people who went to Alberta to tell relate how they were told AARC would be their salvation and life w/o aarc be their doom...


Id also like anyone to discuss the idiocy of the phrase "being given tools" being applied to being held captive and tortured.
Do pimps who kidnapp and subject their child-captives to endless rape also give them something? Perhaps self sufficiency? Perhaps when one is captured and held against their will subgected to endless debasemnt and torture it ceases to be a gift.
SOmething is not being given it is being forced, lets not lie
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« Reply #69 on: April 28, 2006, 02:38:00 AM »
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On 2006-04-27 20:52:00, Anonymous wrote:

"its so depressing..... THe leaps of anti logic you subject your poor knotted brain to when trying to explain away how a kid who was a "graduate" of your program ended up dying means that .....AARC needs more support to help kids!!!

Honestly, AARC doesnt take credit for sucesses' of prisoners? Perhaps anyone interested in this bullshit should go to the Albertal Web site and check out its "sucess's" page

This would lead one to suspect that it indeed credits itself with the sucess of its "graduates".--that being on its page and all





..but one doesnt really need to do that to be aware of the bullshit of the pathetic and grotesque poster above. Listening to him is like listening to the Bush administration recently try to deny they ever said that Iraq had WWMD.... the same semantical cowardice.



You are either  trying to lie youre culpibility  away , or as   a "cult member"...your identity is so based in your cult's omnipotent infallibility that you subject us all to bizare contradictions to deny what is absurdly plain- Your prison did not help this graduate.



Obviously, we cannot expect you to admit that your prison beat this child into the pulp that he became....that which is was merely true-



Id like to invite people who went to Alberta to tell relate how they were told AARC would be their salvation and life w/o aarc be their doom...





Id also like anyone to discuss the idiocy of the phrase "being given tools" being applied to being held captive and tortured.

Do pimps who kidnapp and subject their child-captives to endless rape also give them something? Perhaps self sufficiency? Perhaps when one is captured and held against their will subgected to endless debasemnt and torture it ceases to be a gift.

SOmething is not being given it is being forced, lets not lie "
I know it will bother you to learn that I only read half of the first sentence in your long winded diarrhea filled post. I took enough out of it to deduce that you blame AARC for it's client "failure", and you won't give AARC credit for any success.

Ok, nevermind, I read the rest of it.

You brought up Iraq and WMD. You mentioned Torture and coersion. You in a roundabout way touched on capitalism in one of your other posts.. To all of this I say; You are lucky I spent the time responding to you.


Your post in itself lacks any logic and sense that you claim to posess an abundance of.

YOUR ignorance is absurd. I suspect you are the type of person that practises odd forms of auto-eroticism... which i suppose is besides the point.

I'm almost at ten years of clean and sober time. I was clearly in an earlier group of clients when the center hadn't had 200-300 graduates.. A time in which YOU would probably say AARC was in its infancy. I was never beaten, smashed, de-humanised, or restrained. I rarely felt as though I was being made fun of (unless I did something incredibly stupid, that said; who doesn't)

AARC did me well. I have the opportunity to either be successful or fuck up my life. I've met people that have helped me get along in life, I've learned a lot about human dynamics and how to get along better with difficult people. A jackpot in terms of social integration... I figure.

Regardless, your post is full of hatred, blinded by some sort of maligned rage towards... me or whoever. Good luck with that. Being pissed off at aarc because you still shit the bed in your mid-20's is pretty useless. You clearly aren't applying yourself in a correct manner.




You calling me ignorant would be similar to a morbidly obese person calling an underweight anorexic a fatass.

Get some realistic credibility if you want to argue with me, return, and represent yourself correctly next time. If you achieve all of those things, you will notice you have nothing to argue with me about and that I'm the money. You will wish you were me and you will want to be my friend.  

Thanks,

-Josh[ This Message was edited by: THEJOSHUAFACTOR on 2006-04-27 23:49 ]
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« Reply #70 on: April 28, 2006, 09:09:00 AM »
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Id like to invite people who went to Alberta to tell relate how they were told AARC would be their salvation and life w/o aarc be their doom...





Id also like anyone to discuss the idiocy of the phrase "being given tools" being applied to being held captive and tortured.

Do pimps who kidnapp and subject their child-captives to endless rape also give them something? Perhaps self sufficiency? Perhaps when one is captured and held against their will subgected to endless debasemnt and torture it ceases to be a gift.

SOmething is not being given it is being forced, lets not lie "


I went through AARC. I was never told it would be my salvation. I was told that if I work had, deal with the pain in my life, stop using drugs and alcohol and make better choices my life would improve. They gave me support network, people who would listen to me, respect, responsibility, a routine, discipline (self). I was 21 and could leave at any time. When I entrered AARC I had my own home and my parents were unaware that I was using. I was not coerced but was offered a choice - keep doing what I was doing or learn some ways of dealing with life and reentering the mainstream. 14 years later I am doing just fine thank you. AARC was a starting point; I made the rest of the decisions, good and bad that got me here.
I was not held captive, nor tortured. True, my parents let me know they would no longer give me any financial support (all of which I used for drugs), but that was the kindest thing they could have done. I was approaching the point of homicide or suicide. The took me home after 6 years of criminal and antisocial behaviour. They fed me and clothed me and engaged in a process where they became better people. My mother finally dealt with years of pain and abuse. It was amazing.
A lot of people have gone through AARC since I did. Some are doing well, a few are not. Those that are doing well are making better choices. Those that are not hopefully will in the future. They deserve patience and understanding. We all do.
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« Reply #71 on: May 01, 2006, 06:00:00 PM »
It is easy to make fun of you josh

"You will wish you were me and you will want to be my friend."

Hint- if people want to be your friend, you usually don't have to inform them they want to be your friend
Double hint- have you considered starting a cologne for all the people who want to be you? They could bask in your heroic musk. You could call it "I inspire transcendant awe" (or alternatively "I have a transparent need to convince strangers on the internet that I am
respected by other people and so overcompensate")

Its easy to make fun of you josh, but not rewarding. What is at issue is your organizations obscene exploitation of the suicide (induced?) of one of their "patients". If the child they reared under their program killed himself, the program FAILED this kid. Yet they use his corpse as evidence that their program deserves more money... so they can do this to other kids? OBSCENE! If I offer to imprison a child in seclusion in such away that they will be content, competent and drug free when they emerge and they commit suicide by OD this is PROOF IN THE MOST PROFOUND way possible that I FAILED or DESTROYED that child. Yet, you people are so disconnected from reality that you showcase his body as evidence of the need to give your "treatment" to more children?
This is of course the opposite of how a genuine medical program is conducted.

At the same time, if you go to the AARC website the many "successes" of AARC are listed alongside pleas for donations...You are right EUDORA, a bizarre marketing strategy!. Look how many kids they "save"!! Look how successful the AARC is. If the AARC "succeeds" give it money, if the child dies, give AARC money. No matter what give AARC $!

What you GENUINELY manipulative villains have done is create a system where no matter what happens to the child, the AARC is regarded as life saving.
It will be unaccountable for any negative outcome to the children it handles.

IF THE CHILD "SUCCEEDS" THAT IS BECAUSE THE AARC HAS MADE IT SUCCEED!! IF THE CHILD DIES, IT IS THE FAULT OF THE CHILD FOR NOT USING THE TOOLS GIVEN TO IT BY AARC!!!!

Wow! Can I get in on this? Can I be a Dr where I can force someone to undergo my operation? Even though there is no recorded objective evidence that they are sick? When they "live" I get the credit. When they die, I claim it's their fault. I always win. But not so the child, lying mutilated beyond recognition on my table.

most importantly....
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« Reply #72 on: May 01, 2006, 07:20:00 PM »
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At the same time, if you go to the AARC website the many "successes" of AARC are listed alongside pleas for donations...You are right EUDORA, a bizarre marketing strategy!. Look how many kids they "save"!! Look how successful the AARC is. If the AARC "succeeds" give it money, if the child dies, give AARC money. No matter what give AARC $!


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Show me a charitable orgainzation that does not use testimonials next to pleas for funding. The difference is that AARC is successful. It does not claim to control the clent's life forever, just treats the addiction so the person can go on to make their own choices. Think about the BILLIONS of dollars poured into cancer "research" and "treatment" but spent on administration and advertising. AARC's success record is far better. How many suicides or accidental deaths of former AARC clients? One that I know of, five years after treatment. One out of over 300 is pretty amazing.
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« Reply #73 on: May 01, 2006, 07:49:00 PM »
"If AARC is this big terrible place that is responsible for killing a kid then why are they still in existance?"

You fucking moron! Do you live in goddamn Happy Fairy Land or something? Horrible, evil things are committed by corporations and various organizations every day and nobody gets punished.
Pull your head out of your ass, you idiot!
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« Reply #74 on: May 01, 2006, 08:04:00 PM »
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""If AARC is this big terrible place that is responsible for killing a kid then why are they still in existance?"



You fucking moron! Do you live in goddamn Happy Fairy Land or something? Horrible, evil things are committed by corporations and various organizations every day and nobody gets punished.

Pull your head out of your ass, you idiot!



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Yeah! Corporations like Molsons and Labatts who market their product to young people. Cigarette companies. Pharmaceutical companies. Porn companies. Organizations that advocate legalizing illegal drugs.
Show me credible, documented evidence that AARC has done any harm. Or continue to rave hysterically.
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