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marshall:
I said I don't 'use' illegal drugs..present tense. Not that I never used them. I was sent to prison & the seed for selling & distributing LSD. Translation: I'd dropped acid a total of 5 times. A classmate had been begging me to sell him a hit and a girl I liked asked me to give her one. She insisted on taking hers at school and flipped out, spilling her guts to the principal who called the police.
And yes, the seed was much cushier than the georgia prison system. I would also probably have chosen to spend time in north korea listening to hours of communist propaganda rather than prison or willingly joined the moonies or hari krishnas if those were the terms of my probation. It doesn't mean these would qualify as good things. All of these would also likely have gotten me off of drugs even if via brainwashing propaganda.
Yep. Sounds like me. Glasses and when I was on the front row....bald too. Haircut courtesy of same ga. prison system. John U. was always rubbing my head...must've thought it was good luck. :smile:
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-01-08 13:04:00, Ft. Lauderdale wrote:
Antigen I know you were never on the program but did't anything ever strike you as nice or good? I really do want to know.
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Oh, of course! Probably never would have been exposed to Monty Python had this one kid not landed up as a foster in our home. Probably, not definitely. Python's pretty big outside the Program too. Sometimes, the singing wasn't bad. I remember a couple of fairly talented ameteur musicians playing at Open Meeting or Group singing a new song really well. But they were never as good or as diverse as half the acts playing at various venues in the area. And that was a trade off. In order to be a good little honorary Seedling (and stay off of front row) I had to pretend shun all popular music and never let slip an interest in going to a concert (other than one in a church involving organ music or opera).
Of course it wasn't 100% horrible. But even the high points were only a little better than the tense moments. Compared to freedom, they would have had no charm at all.
Climb the mountains and get their good tidings. Nature's peace will flow into you as sunshine flows into trees. The winds will blow their own freshness into you, and the storms their energy, while cares will drop off like autumn leaves. When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe. -- My First Summer in the Sierra , 1911, page 110.
John Muir
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cleveland:
See, reading all of these posts together, we have quite a range or opinion...
I'm sure Lauderdale does feel that the Seed saved him from himself...I too was a highly depressed teenager, and the Seed forced me to try to get out of it. For me, it was a temporary solution, but I had to deal with so much underlying stuff that it was many years after I left the Seed that I felt comfortable with myself. And frankly, the seven years I stayed around the Seed, I made no growth at all...
Marshall, one of the potential kids sent to prison for a relatively minor incident - you know how many black kids get sent to prison for selling reefer? It's huge. I'm not arguing the liberal line of no consequences, but I think these consequences are wrong. And remember, the kennedy family made their fortune in bootlegged liquor!
For me, the Seed gave a little, but took a lot...
Anonymous:
i recall eventually just hoping some kinda shit would hit the fan and relieve the everyday horrible monotony and the constant drone of the groups etc.. recall relief at being chosen to perform any kind of job or chore just to get the hell out of the bullshit... and i learned how to blow a helluva smoke ring and that above all else to trust no one or "thrown under the bus" would be the result of any true disclosure.
so ya see some positive results did happen from my seed experience..oh yeah.. they killed kenny... THOSE BASTARDS.
GregFL:
--- Quote ---On 2005-01-08 13:04:00, Ft. Lauderdale wrote:
Was I envolved for a long time- yes. Did I ever witness abuse -no. Did I ever see a kid get yelled at- yes. Was the Seed perfect-No. I have never heard Antigen or even you Greg(funny I always feel like I talking to Greg???) Talk about anything nice or good about your experience. Was it just hell on a daily basis? or was your heart touched by anyone or ???
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I think I felt captive and trapped all the time. However, there was a several month period when the techniques had taken over and I was into the experience, but Mostly I think it was because I HAD TO BE.
Immediately after graduating I started talking to Other kids. The seed kids questioned me and I told them I was a graduate and could do what I damned pleased. Very quickly they wouldn't talk to me, at least the kids of their program...
FL, I don't have a lot of good to say about it because it was an oppressive strange way to be a 14 year old,because I never wanted to be a cult member, because I didn't need stepcraft treatment because I was never an addict, because it ruined my high school and family, and because it took me many years to work thru the hurt and anger. The seed really sucked for me...big time.
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