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Sorry Folks, the Seed helped me!!!
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-01-06 12:23:00, marshall wrote:
Why do most of us insist that the seed must be completely good or evil?
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I just think that the idea that the TC method or stepcraft is wholely good and entirely harmless is already pervasive. That side of the argument has gone largely unchallenged for far too long now. And in light of some of the worst damage done in the name of coercive treatment, giving equal time to the benefits is about like saying of Charles Manson, "Yeah, but he sure was a good musician!" Ok, if you think so, you're entitled. I think the Program successes are sort of knock off versions of real success and Manson's music was pretty lame. That's my opinion.
How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate, they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to.
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
Anonymous:
to the first anon above..if this is your first post welcome to our forum!.
30 years ago, eh? Me too. However, I am a graduate and did not have such an easy go of it. Nowadays I can take a drink at leisure without spiraling down into an alcholic failure ridden one way street or needing to get drunk after drinking one beer or a glass of wine. I AM NOT POWERLESS!
Why? Why are you able to stay "straight" for so long while others, even staunch seed advocates, admittedly struggle with drugs and alchohol so many years later? What gives? How important is it to you to stay straight? Is it necessary...what I mean is, if you had a drink or god forbid smoked some pot, would your life end as you know it? Would you somehow change the direction of your life? Would you end up hopelessly screwed up?
Enlighten us here on the mentality necessary to proclaim you have been "fixed" for 30 years.
Oh, and by the way, were you ever addicted to anything? How old were you when you went in the seed?
Thanks in advance for your participation here.
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Greg ? Thanks for the welcome. I can tell from reading your entries that your experience was very different from mine at the Seed. I can also understand how you felt so differently than I did.
I came in the Seed at 15 years of age. I used drugs just about every day before coming in. I did not know how to deal with the real world and tried to mask all of the negative feelings I had about myself through the use of drugs. I used drugs for several years and each year I would see myself doing more and more to destroy my life. I was so unhappy that I could not even look at myself in the mirror or even be alone by myself. Even as a kid I never felt secure with myself, I always felt like I was not worth anything. The Seed gave me everything I was lacking in my life. I certainly did not get any assurance from my parents. I was always told how everything I did was wrong and never once was I told you did a good job.
For me I would not even want to drink or do drugs again since that is what destroyed me the first time. All I have to do is think about how I felt prior to coming in and how I learned how to be at peace and happy with myself now. I don?t want to take the chance of destroying that.
I am not saying that everything was perfect. There were some people who were into status and would not even acknowledge me. I would go out of my way to be kind but I think they felt I was not as good as they were. For a long time I thought was there something wrong with me, but I have had a lot of time to think about it over the last few years and feel fortunate that I did not turn out like them. I can see things much more clearly now.
I hope this answers your questions.
Anonymous:
- Maybe if you actually tried to live in the real world and deal with people from all walks of life instead of your seed cucoon, you might not be so "offended" by the fact that other people actually have opinions that differ from yours. I'm thinking that you have not really been exposed to much of the real world.
Folks who have trouble staying straight - maybe their trouble is because they actually live life and get out there everyday and are challenged in ways that people who live the the clositered seed life could never ever be able to handle. And whyis that? Because those "tools" are not the "be all and end all" they were made out to be. Maybe because it only works when you use them in a safe secure environment.
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To anon referenced above:
You have absolutely no idea the kind of a life I have lead.
I have gone through a tremendous amount in my life. I had a life threatening disease where I was extremely sick for months. When I first found out I did not know if I was going to live or not. That was a true test of reality. The tools helped me tremendously during this stage of my life. To me going through those things in my life gave me a real insight and I learned and grew so much by going through the experience. It showed me that I had character and could handle much more than I could have imaged. It may sound odd but I am glad I went through that experience.
My point is that I have not had a sheltered life or lived in a cocoon and life has not always been smooth sailing.
I also have not lived a perfect life by any means but I feel that we can learn from all of our experiences. Either good or bad.
I am not trying to be sarcastic but just stated the way that I feel.
Anonymous:
how long were you involved at the seed. How many years? How long have you been away? It appears that you still talk the talk so I am just curious.
Anonymous:
damn, 15 years old, did drugs and felt bad for a couple years, then wham, 30 years of feeling like those two years defined you and then the magical steps saved you.
Sorry, but that is a crock of dung, spoon fed by a cult that just accepted everything a ex alcohlic bad comic spoon fed them. Most people have periods of their life where they feel bad, especialy teenagers. I have had times as an adult where looking in the mirror disqusted me for one reason or another. I didn't need to be locked up in a cult to cure that.
Teenage angst wasn't invented by our generation or cured by the seed. In fact, for many it made it much worse.
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