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Stripe:
AS STATED BY SNALEA ON THE CEDU THREAD:
"It sounds like a hell hole. It is hard to imagine anyone defending the Seed. Even if a kid really had drug difficulties, 12 hour raps would do more damage than good. If people want to help kids, it seems that would include opportunties to follow/ develop interests and learn how to thrive in the "real world." Not isolating them in a bunker for hours without relief, cut off and insulated from the world they will eventually live in.
What I don't understand is how anyone could defend the Seed formula for "helping" kids. It's not based on any type of healthy, realistic paradigm for living and making good choices. Did someone actually think that putting kids in a bunker, yelling and humiliating them everyday,teaching them to bully and spy on eachother, and cutting them off from normal people and life was going to help them? "
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Do you guys think that still brooding, cheering or obsessing over this some 30+ years after the fact, regardless of our personal views, is any indiciation of the amount of help we actually recieved ?
This fact alone tells the world more about us and the power of the place than all well-thought or eloquently written statements we could ever post in this public domain.
Fran:
Ditto
Antigen:
Hell yeah!
I'm still most intrigued, though, by trying to solve the "chicken and egg" puzzle about Program influence in the public sector. On a personal level, it really is ancient history. But they didn't go away, instead some of these sanctimonious sons of bitches are actually writing public policy!
Pray: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy.
--Ambrose Bierce
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ScrewUp 74:
I'm Still out here. I have this forum in my opera browser tabs. Everytime I open the browser the forum is there, I just reload. For those who don't know I was in the Ft. Pierce Seed in 74.
Just thought I'd say hi.
Are there any other lurkers out there?
Definition from Google: A lurker is anyone who reads the postings or messages in a chat room or Internet newsgroup, but who rarely, if ever, chimes in with messages of his or her own.
Antigen:
I'm still pretty upset about what happened to my family. That started long before The Seed. My grandfather was a 'professional alcoholic' just like Art, as my dad used to say.
But, based on what you say and what I remember, The Seed was only really, horrendously & obviously brutal for a couple of years and worst in the same timeframe that St. Pete was open. I wonder about that. My perception was that Straight was just like The Seed only far more regimented and . . . Republican.
I'm learning a lot.
Do you understand that I've been immersed in a culture that lauds Program heros and philosophy? These are my boogie men. I had to stand down the DARE cop, all 5'2" of me, w/ my children when I just didn't feel right about the impromptu Group session when they dropped by, unannounced to anybody, at the local park where my kids used to go play. They stood by all the doors, arms crossed, mirror shades on, indoors while they demanded that every kid who walked through the door sit down in straight rows on the floor, cross legged and be silent, SILENT! for the puppet show.
One of these guys stopped us with "Where are you going?" on the way past him out the door. I said "Out of here and kept on walking.
So yeah, I'm a little touchy when it comes to people claiming that the Program was benign, is history, was relatively beneficial and is certainly not harmful (except to loser druggies who have spent the past 30 years, (since age 6 or so, in my case) denying their true, druggie nature.)
Sorry. Really, I am sorry when I pop off at you. But you should apologize for rubbing it my face sometimes, too.
Wicked men obey from fear, good men from love.
--Aristotle
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