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Radical Idea
Stripe:
Like "being in your head" and THINKING is such a bad thing? Well, I guess having the underling think is a bad thing if the intent is to control what goes on in the thinking space ...inside the heads...
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2004-12-22 07:22:00, Stripe wrote:
"Right now, I'm thinking the whole Good/Bad Seed idea may, and my idea/hypothesis is just in its early stages - I think it might be a matter of whether a person operates from the base brain or the higher brain.
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Hmm, interesting point. I wonder, though, if the difference is more between the intensity of the experience rather than whether we perceive it as good or bad.
I was not really very affected by the Program either way. I was disturbed to find these lunatics who I'd thought I'd escaped writing public policy mandating spending in their industries. Moreso because they focus their attention and efforts on my kids.
I've heard from a lot of other people who simply blew the whole thing off. Never got all that involved to begin with, sort of skated in and out on the perifery. To them, the whole thing was some fucked up shit not worth talking about or a vaguely pleasant, but equally uninteresting experience.
Those who were always on the floor and those who were eager to go on staff are the ones most affected. At the time, I viewed both extremes as evidence of being broken. The whole key was to never divulge anything really important, never be vulnerable, never lose your temper.
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Are there no official studies on the effects of these programs?
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Actually, yes, sort of. I can't remember the reference right now, but someone posted in the past month or so about a government study of tough boot-camp style treatment. It was not favorable. Next best thing we've got are extensive studies into Korean brainwashing methods (mostly by CIA and affiliates) and cult studies, coincidentally or not, mostly by FBI and their professional wittnesses.
I shit you not. I'm not being expansive here or flip or trying to piss anybody off or argue symantics. If you look into those two topics, you may be surprised to find a lot of familiar concepts and practices. The whole method amounts to reducing someone to just that state of mind that you describe.
You get sleep deprived and are not allowed privacy or self reflection. You're stressed w/ all the shouting and new rules, new names, constant scrutiny and just weirdness. None of your familiar comforts, even that annoying way your mother might whine and lecture, were available to you. You get fatigued, confused and sometimes paranoid. You know this, so you begin to doubt your own judgement and even perception of things. There's constant and overpowering peer pressure to adopt a very tidy, simplistic way of seeing things and you're just too damned tired and disgusted to question it anymore. The easiest way to get feeling good (or at least a little less bad) is to just go w/ the fucking flow and think about it later.
Immortality: A toy which people cry for, And on their knees apply for, Dispute, contend and lie for, And if allowed Would be right proud Eternally to die for.
--Ambrose Bierce
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2004-12-22 08:27:00, cleveland wrote:
That's my thinking. Our analysis, or 'getting into our heads' about it. You and I are both over-educated fools - from a Seed standpoint!
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Analytical! It wasn't a formal rule, but I was conatantly being accused of being annalytical or hiding behind my intellectual druggie image. (again, I shit you not! And, of course, I'd never make it in college if I didn't work my program!) I even remember a rap on a kid who's last name sounded like it meant he was guilty of that crime. I vaguely remember him looking like it was the funniest thing that had happened yet.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
-- Aristotle
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Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2004-12-22 10:10:00, cleveland wrote:
Interesting. I feel sort of bad about questioning Seed ideas, even today, especially when it's clear that there are a lot of people in pain and looking for answers, and who am I to throw a wrench into it? On the other hand, I think that people together, being honest, are truly helpful of one another in the long term.
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I look at it very much like people who believe, and I mean believe asif it were handed down by God himself, that their tap watter is EPA approved and the safest thing in the world. Fact is, neither is true. So do I shatter my friend's illusions and risk them getting cut on the shards? Or do I keep my mouth shut and hope they're right so we can laugh about it together in our old age, watching healthy grandchildren hold forth on the scare of their day.
--- Quote ---I remember, a Seed staff member used to tell me, "Boy, I feel bad for you Wally, being into your head, it must be a scary place" and you know what - it is scary in my head AND my heart, but also - beautiful, challenging, exciting...
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Some people sleep better w/ a little white noise so they can forget all about the waking world. I sleep better in silence w/ a window open so that, if something happens, I'll know to wake up and attend to it.
A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question
about it.
--GW Büsh, Business Week, July 30, 2001
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Ft. Lauderdale:
I get a kick out of all the sleep deprived comments I hear. The Seed was not 10am to 10pm from about 1974 on.
I guess they changed from Korean tactics to maybe
mongolian or surbian or possibly Mexican siesta tactics since everyone was getting alot more sleep :grin:
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