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Radical Idea
cleveland:
I think that studies have shown that a certain number of people who abuse drugs/alcohol will just stop at some point without any other intervention. Some people will never stop, and perhaps die from it or suffer in other ways; some will become moderate users but stop abusing - all on their own.
However, some people will join AA, a church or the Marines - or the Seed - or in some other way try to get help for their problem.
The radical idea is - that the percentage of people who stop and get better, get worse and die, or just slow down, is THE SAME in both groups.
How does this relate to us, fellow Seedlings, if this is true? Well, it means that the arguments about the Seed helping people (Jimmy, Trucker, etc.), or hurting people (Ginger, Greg), may be true for certain individuals, but the statistics for all of us are the same.
Now one group can talk about people who got better in the Seed, and another group of people can talk about people who got worse, but the numbers are the SAME - some get better, some get worse, some stay the same.
I don't know if this is true for the Seed, but I have read that it's true for AA. Maybe it really is up to us after all, to get happy and stay happy - Seed or no Seed.
What do you all thnk of this?
cleveland:
No one's responding to this? Hmm....
GregFL:
there are no valid post program stats, only anecodatal information.
Most people I know did NOT stay sober. the incidence of mental problems and emotional problems seems higher as well as suicides, but again no valid scientific study has ever been done in spite of the big lie...you know, the 90% sucess ratio lie.
I just don't know how to respond accurately here cleveland. I will say no one was unchanged by their experience in this cult.
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Robin Martin:
--- Quote ---On 2004-12-21 15:45:00, GregFL wrote:
...I will say no one was unchanged by their experience in this cult.
--- End quote ---
Unchanged??? - Thank God, I WAS... :nworthy:
Peace
cleveland:
I know, I know! I hate to be negative. I'm just trying to take out the "he said, she said" dynamic here...you know..."It helped me!..."Yeah, but it didn't help me!"-thing.
My feelings about the seed are very complicated, and I find good and bad in the experiences. Some of these posts are so powerful on both sides of ther issue. I learm from both. But I get tired of the bickering; that does nothing for me!
Happy Holidays/Merry Christmas, whatever you celebrate or don't celebrate!
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