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« Reply #45 on: December 30, 2004, 02:33:00 PM »
Hey picture lady...sorry this happened to you.  I used to see turd face when I was on campus with his camera.  Wondered what he was taking pics of?
Probably more than just pictures of your husband?
I wish I had hung my studliness out and let him take a picture of that!  HAHAHA...but...we weren't allowed to have dicks.  I guess the male staff just wanted us to be like them.

Anyway picture lady...I know what you say is true about talking to other agencies about what CEDU does to kids.  My parents are talking.  They believe we know everything and control everything way.  This is CEDU way and they really, really believe themselfs.  They don't know we taped recorded some of our rapps.  We taped LALLALLLLALLLA looney tune screaming at us.  My Dad said that he paid over $130,000 just to learn from LALLALLALAL - I just do this for the kids -
actress - and a really bad one to -that me and all the other kids who got to listen to the screaming that we "was not worthy of respect and we are losers."  My Dad is going to send the tapes to that attorney in Idaho who is representing the familys.  I think picutre lady is right about a picture being worth a million worthless CEDU "vamps" words.  But my contribution to the cause isn't pictures. We have tapes.  Yep.  We even got balls with our dicks, unlike to stupid zombies at CEDU.
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« Reply #46 on: December 30, 2004, 02:45:00 PM »
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On 2004-12-30 11:19:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I thought these were either satire or trollbait.  Turns out it was much scarier.  They actually MEANT it."


Amazing, isn't it?

There is something feeble and contemptible about a man who cannot face life without the help of comfortable myths.
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« Reply #47 on: December 30, 2004, 02:47:00 PM »
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On 2004-12-30 11:05:00, Anonymous wrote:

"PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE say that this is troll bait!!!!!!!!!!!"

It's sometimes hard to tell, but I think this one
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All of these kids posting here went through the CEDU program and were taught American Family Values. And Chuck is a champion of family values. ...


is a joke.

When I started as a federal narcotics agent, the budget that we were working with, it was less than $5 million a year, and there was only 125 agents for the entire world to work the narcotic trade that we were fighting in those days.  Times have changed.  The gluttony has grown.
--Nick Navarro, former Broward, FL Sherrif

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« Reply #48 on: December 30, 2004, 02:53:00 PM »
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On 2004-12-30 11:47:00, Antigen wrote:


It's sometimes hard to tell, but I think this one

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All of these kids posting here went through the CEDU program and were taught American Family Values. And Chuck is a champion of family values. ...



is a joke.


God, I HOPE so.  This is the stuff of fucking NIGHTMARES.  

I would LOVE to see someone say these things in court and see the reaction.  Especially the ones about "ethics" and beastiality.  Wonderful fucking people in charge of your kids. :scared:
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« Reply #49 on: December 30, 2004, 03:40:00 PM »
Here's the thing, though. The people who run these places are not immune to their effects. It's not much different from prison psychology in that respect, and there are numerous studies delving into how prison life effects the guards.

As many folks have pointed out, you don't have to be stupid to be brainwashed. In fact, it sometimes actually helps to have the intellectual ability to build a very complex and convincing version of reality for yourself.

Anyway, these folks haven't lost sight of the fact that their worldview is different from the commonly accepted reality. They won't usually divulge their real beliefs in public (in front of us unenlightened, chattering pigs, as it were) There's a huge difference between what they'll say in public and what they say when caught up in the moment, surrounded by others who support their delusions.

That's why it's SO cool to find out that somebody actually got La on tape holding forth w/ wreckless abandon. I'd love to hear that tape. I'd even host an MP3 version on my site, should it become public record.

Whoever's got it, please ask your lawyer if and when I can do that and then send me a copy? Thanks.


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« Reply #50 on: December 30, 2004, 05:02:00 PM »
Dad says you can have it after the lawyers are done with it.  That and a few other damning items of evidence.  I'll tell the others...they have stuff too. My Mom said something really funny the other day.  She said, "there seems to be a land tsunami bout to land in Idaho."
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« Reply #51 on: December 30, 2004, 05:22:00 PM »
Ginger you kill me. Sometimes your ribs hurt so bad, you just can't laugh any more. Sad as it is, this is how these people think - troll-bait or not. These people really think this way. And the stuff about the black flying machines LOL, They are probably there alright, trying to fugure out what this fucking mormon cult is doing lol. Then we have the tapes of La La La. Oh brother, if they have her on tape saying what she and all the other directors, team leaders, and zealots say. You are in for some funny shit.

Ging, you have to hear this woman Latresa, and all the old school directors fake crying at the graduations. It is the same thing over and over, year after year. Totally scripted. They look at the kids graduating (who hate them and always have) and then they start crying and say how "proud" they are. "Boo Hooo Hooo" Then parents join in  "Boo Hoo". They are either stupid, deluded, histronic, maniacal or thay just figured out that they just spent 140,000 Plus for bad acting. I suspect it is the latter.

Then we go right back to the rap sessions and listen to quotes rehersed for 36 years passed down verbatum for genarations by Wasserman propeet-brainwashed staff. "You are so pathetic." "I love this school" "You are sick pathetic losers" (projection) "you will never amount to anything."

Then these same staff idiot mimes go home and abuse their families with the exact same words, screaming and yelling, year after year until the spouses can't take their cultists husbands and wives anymore. Then, if thay are dumb the go fuck another CEDU convert and leave their spouse. If they are smart they "find someone else to fuck." And it goes on year after year "...As the world turns, so go the days of our lives..."

I'm laughing my ass off and then you come along      and say: "Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps." My sentements exactly Oh my ribs. I have to log off .I can't laugh anymore - I'll have a heart attack.
Ginger, you kill me, and how sweet it is.
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« Reply #52 on: December 30, 2004, 07:06:00 PM »
:grin: Glad to be of service!

Do let me know about the audio and anything else. I have plenty of room under http://fornits.com/anonanon/docs/

Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following
pages, are not yet sufficiently fashionable to procure them
general favor; a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong,
gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises
at first a formidable outcry in defence of custom.  But the
tumult soon subsides.  Time makes more converts than reason.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0679433147/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'>Thomas Paine, Common Sense

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« Reply #53 on: December 30, 2004, 09:12:00 PM »
Antigen:

Like the quotes you put out here for us.  Found a couple I want to share.

CEDU'S MISSION STATEMENT
"A lie told often enough becomes truth."
      
-Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov)

CEDU VALUES

"It is always the best (CEDU) policy to speak the truth, unless, of course, you are an exceptionally good liar."
      
-Jerome K. Jerome


CEDU's BELIEF

"No one is entitled to the truth."
      
-E. Howard Hunt

CEDU'S FEARS

"Pretty much all the honest truth-telling there is in the world is done by children."
      
-Oliver Wendell Holmes
(Not that any of the ignorant CEDU goofs know who this great man was.  Course not.  He was a ethicist and jurist)

"You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad."
      
-Aldous Huxley

"The object of the superior man is truth."
      
-Confucius

"Truth can stand by itself."
      
-Thomas Jefferson

CEDU STAFF TRAINING PROGRAM

"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and consciencious stupidity."
      
-Martin Luther King, Jr.

CEDU's Enemy's Mission Statement:

"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."
      
-William Blake
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« Reply #54 on: December 30, 2004, 09:24:00 PM »
Those were great quotes. While we're at it. Here's on from another thread. This student catches the character of CEDU

As far as sexual activity, you would not believe the stuff people had to disclose. Normal (but humilaiting activities) were disclosed (by enormous pressure) in group settings and then you were totally ridiculed by the staff and the bully students. You also had to listen to some pretty far out disclosures about bestiality and other unique activities. If you had a traumatic experience, you were made to feel dirty. If you tried something in the realm of normal teenage activities you were humiliated and called names. If you had ONE boyfriend, you "spread your legs to the world" and some people, I've learned were coerced to confess to activities that didn't happen. (Life was hell if they had the script and you didn't follow it.) One guy had to go to the doc for male problem (not an STD) and the family head humiliated him publicly over and over again in the rap. I was appalled. If you go back and work your past the old stuff you will find many descriptions of the CEDU experience from students and staff. Read them.

THIS IS WHAT CEDU ZEALOTS BELIEVE IN AND DO. PERHAPS THOSE POSTS FROM MORMOMS ARE NOT TROLL BAIT. WHATEVER IS THE CASE THIS SPOKE ACCURATELY OF THE CULTURE WE EVIL THERAPISTS TRIED TO "DESTROY" AND WERE BULLIED OUT OF EXISTENCE FOR IT.
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« Reply #55 on: December 30, 2004, 09:34:00 PM »
I was just browsing this site becuase I was told about it by another X student. I have to laugh my ass off. Its really pathetic on all sides. Hey man Chuck dont get caught up with all this shit. On the ex student and therapist side you have the whinning victims that want to blame cedu for all their problems and percieved abuses and then you have mormon boy staff that just fuels this shit by his narrow minded outlook. Nice try but you missed. I cant ever say I agreed with everything that was fed me but I was there long enough to see that it was me that was my own problem,not cedu, or anyone else. You people just need to grow up and move on and that includes you mrs. ex therapist wife. Pretty
desperate to use an article about someone else who wasnt even a cedu escort. And your trying to make chuck look bad? Give me a break. Shows how despirate and pathetic you are to put down the
 guy any way you can. You are all damn victims and need someone to blame because you desagree with them and they expose you for what you really are. cedu did help me and hundreds of others out there. For every one of you whinners and victims, there are dozens of healthy well adjusted adults out there thanks to good people that didnt give up. Yea in the cedu system.I am grateful to those staff that were willing and there to kick my ass , not literaly of course. I could now be angry and rave with the rest of you about how they screwed me over and how chuck is the big ass that braught me there and ruined my life. There were many good people I just didnt appreciate it early enough.Yea there were some I didnt like. In spite of myself they were able to get through my thick head and planted some seeds that helped bring about change. Some didnt germinate till i left but if it wasnt for that culture.yea that sheltered safe invironment that you call a cult gave us the safety to keep from self distructing in the real world that you say they kept you from. I for one have to take my hat off to those staff and yea you to chuck. After this I am going to call you again. You even had me in your home and were never anything other than a stand up guy.I just hope that should ever need a place for one of my kids that there will still be places like  cedu and people
like  Chuck out there. Hopefuly my kids wont learn the hard way that I chose most of my teen life and not need them. I am just glad they were there when I needed them but thought I didnt.
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« Reply #56 on: December 30, 2004, 10:01:00 PM »
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and then you have mormon boy staff that just fuels this shit by his narrow minded outlook.


Just out of curiosity, if you had to guess, who do you think that staffer was?

I tried for years to live according to everyone else's morality.
I tried to live like everyone else, to be like everyone else.
I said the right things even when I felt and thought quite differently.
And the result is a catastrophe.

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« Reply #57 on: December 30, 2004, 10:23:00 PM »
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"Antigen:



Like the quotes you put out here for us.  Found a couple I want to share.


Why, thank you for noticing. Glad to be of service.

I love this one espeically!

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"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."

-William Blake


I also love really good quotes from MLK. He was such a brilliant and insightful man and so often quoted out of context by various zealots.

It takes a village idiot to believe that a family needs instruction from the government to raise a child.
-- Anonymous homeschooler



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« Reply #58 on: December 30, 2004, 11:34:00 PM »
Mr. Selent,

You are a liar.  How does it feel to live with yourself?  Perhaps CEDU lawyers would give you the same advice I give my clients: Keep your mouth shut if you can't tell the truth. Read your last posting. You contradict your own testimony.  I plan to have great pleasure on the stand with you.  Remember,you have to take an oath "to tell the truth", and you will not be able to hide behind Cedu's facade or the flacid attempts of CEDU  continuing their exploitation of the few children who managed to escape with a semblance of their sanity and dignity, by using them as a cheerleading squad.

How do I know you are a liar?  Gratefully, I now represent three adult CEDU victims in process of filing harassment, wrongful termination tied to a sexual encounter between a superior and employee,
and violation of Federal law regarding employment records charges against CEDU.  Regarding the case you so badly spewed lies about, I've seen copies of the pictures Chuck, the email from the agency, the email communications between my client and Cedu regarding your picture taking of another CEDU employee  - in the CEDU parking lot as he was going into work. There are distinguishing features in the picture that identify the location, Chuck.   Pictures have dates on the back of them so it will not be difficult to prove the timeline of your violations. Furthermore, I have a letter from CEDU attorneys denying  access to his employment records. This will not be hard to prove.  I have sworn statements from the EX regarding your attempt to sell him pictures of my client. It isn't difficult to expose untruths with such documentation.

Gratefully, I now represent three adult CEDU victims.  Cedu's delusion is evidenced in the lies they tell themselves: "We will just bring all the little children and their parents to court and they will make all the bad people go away." This  issue isn't a matter of bringing  glowing testimonies of the few to refute the many. This is an issue about exposing the lies and abuse in the real world.  The real world has a reality check waiting for CEDU.  They've lied to themselves just one too many times.  The facts and the evidence will speak for themselves. Time is just about up, and timing, as it is said, well, instrumental.

Unfortunately, in the incestuous breeding ground of liars and cultists, you breed a culture in which people are so emersed with liars they no longer recognize, or care about truth. I've seen this many times in organizations, and each of them has paid a tremendous price.  One of the more intriguing elements of discovery in researching this industry is the lack of regulations across the country.  This too will change. No, is changing right now.

Has anyone asked themselves why this business CEDU is willing to keep incompetents on board for decades? Certainly, the best business decision is to get rid of incompetent people.  Why do I say incompetent?  Hell, take a look at the financial history of CEDU over the past few years, look at their employee turn-over rate, their legal battles with victims, the late payment of bills to vendors, etc.  This is a company in trouble.
Take a drive to Boundary County and interview but a handful of the citizens of Boundary County and you will find a community of folks who have been burned by CEDU. They each have a story to tell regarding the lack of ethics, the abuse of children, and the unwillingess of local justice to deal with the many, many, many suspected and documented abuses. The organization is hated by its own community.  This speaks volumes.  So, I ask the question again.  Why do they keep incompetents?  I speculate it is because of what they know.  What do you think?
 
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« Reply #59 on: December 30, 2004, 11:42:00 PM »
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I speculate it is because of what they know. What do you think?



Nah, much simpler than that. It's just a good oldfashioned circle jerk. That's all.

If you want to get together in any exclusive situation and have people love you, fine- but to hang all this desperate sociology on the idea of The Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book, who knows if you've been bad or good- and CARES about any of it- to hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain working.
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