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Somejoker:
Cleveland...how do you define abuse?

There is a good question for you.

Of course it is abusive to hit someone, but

How about imprisoning them against their will..even if you feel it is for their own good? Is that abusive?

What about padLocking them up at night and making them ask permission for everything from defecating to eating or drinking a glass of water? Is that abusive?

How about purposely restricting their right to urinate as a control method?  Abusive?  

How about severly limiting their sleep and caloric intake? Abusive?

How about forcing them to sit up straight in a wooden chair for twelve hours and having them poked in the back sharply when they slip out of consciousness or fail to comply?  Abusive?

Not allowing them to think or for their eyes to wander, all the while and at all times forcing the person to Smile and motivate his desire to speak to the group at the same time having said person fearfull of being personally verbally torn to shreds for little or nothing?  Abusive?

There is more,,,much more.


To me a comment that the seed wasn't abusive is just so missing the mark. The outward physical abuse endured by some in the seed is greatly overshadowed by the day to day CULTURE OF ABUSE the seed was immersed in.

The entire modality in fact fosters abuse and cultic worship, and this is seen from the seed right down to the present day copycat programs.

The seed was extremely abusive, and much like an abused housewife, many people that endured said abuse say it was because they deserved or needed it, or that it really wasn't that bad.  It was.



The Seed wasn't just unpleasant Cleveland. In fact, many of the techniques, if done by the average person, would result in felony convictions of assault and false inprisonment.

Stripe:
Why is is that people who don't think they were brain washed, abused or otherwise mistreated, sing the praises of these kinds of programs ? :eek:
That's my observation on this so far.  

Once a person actually considers the very real possiblity that these things occurred and that as Seedlings we were subjected to some very awuful things - suddenly, the Seed doesn't look so wholesome any more.  Maybe my old high school friends weren't so far off base when they referred to me as a zombie.

It's never easy to see our lives for what they really are, ever.  That's the beauty of denial: it's not just about drugs, or booze or sex or food. Maybe that's why I never thought to tell all those therapists I've been to over the past 20 years years that I was a produce of the The Seed .... Anyway, it's good to be out in the open and consider all the possibilites.
Thanks.

Stripe:
"A produce" very telling.  what I meant was a product.

cleveland:
Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending the Seed. I just think it's important, for me, that I characterize the experience as accurately as possible. I'm trying to remove the loaded language and emotional content, even though it was a very emotional experience for me.

But to be accurate, for me, again...I signed up because I wanted to be there, because I was desparately unhappy, and I stayed because I believed it was the best thing I could do. I left when I realized this wasn't true for me, but it took years.

I was not hit, abused or maltreated when I was at the Seed. It's true, we sat for hours on hard chairs, ate crappy hot dogs and Kool Aid for lunch, and kept the bathroom door open. And for me this was unpleasant. I will reserve the term for stronger stuff.

For me the abuse was that my power over my life was removed, and that I was led to believe that I would fail without the Seed. THAT was abuse; THAT'S where the Seed overstepped it's boundaries; the other stuff just sucked.

GregFL:
Sometimes I forget that there were acutally people there voluntarily. That seemed such a surreal concept for me while I was there because I felt like a POW the whole time.

Also, Sometimes I forget that the seed had morphed from the 1973 seed into something a bit different later.

Still, the whole thing was laden with a CULTURE OF ABUSE. That is my point. It was more than unpleasant, it was abusive.

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