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Stripe:
Wally,

That's it - that's a very sharp observation.    Having the power over my life removed - that's the abuse, among other things.
The reason it's so abusive is because when the power over the control of one's life is taken, so is the power to perceive that stripping away.

Anonymous:
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cleveland:
Greg, depending upon what day it is I feel differently about this, because there's no hard and fast standard here, at least for me.

I think the point is to maintain the dialog, and learn.

I think, more than a culture of abuse, it was a culture of repression. Sexuality, freedom, the outside world, were all suspect, likely to lead to trouble.

Which is true - in the adult world, people get hurt, relationships go sour, drugs get abused. But the Seed just enforced this 'all or nothing' mentality and didn't deal with the fine points. It was very narrow and constrictive, which made it 'safe,' but not good in the long term.

Anonymous:
Stripe I agree with the Gator-

But I was just thinking about attending Cathloic School from Kindergarten through 9th grade - I had Nuns Priests and Brothers. There was a certain strictness that I also experienced there and at the Seed.  The nuns were very controlling and you were definatly limited to certain bathroom times.  I recall having to sit up straight looking foward with my hands properly folded on top of the desks.  We would march in straight lines 2 even rows boys & girls seperated to and from morning Mass and the same for lunch.   Boys and girls played seperatly organized.  We had to raise our hands if we had a question.  At the water fountain the moniter would count to five and the water fountain time was up.  We all even dressed alike.  Yes I think this was very controlled but it was for disapline and organization.  We were also instructed in the 7th or 9th grade not to masterbate or play with ourselves. I do not think this was a cult.  

At the Seed there was alot of discipline and rules and organization.  I needed this.  No I did not need abuse or belittling.  I must admit I was on a couple of occasions treated harshly.  Should I call this abuse?  I was even yelled at one day for missing a catch at baseball and I was apoligized to the next day for it. I was also loved more & felt it more than anywhere else I had ever been.  I needed it desperatly.  

I think everyone in a lifetime yells at there spouse kid or even pet and feels guilty about over doing it and yes as human beings no one is perfect.  I just think I got a hell of alot out of the whole experience.

I was never in the military but I kind of have an idea of what it was like.  I also know about the comradery I felt at the Seed as well.

cleveland:
Yes, I think this type of rigid discipline - in Catholic Schools, families, and the military - can be both good and bad. Did anyone see the Magdalen Sisters? A movie about Catholic homes for unwed mothers in Ireland - now that's abuse! On the other hand, I know a lot of people who think (now) fondly of their basic training for the military.

I don't know. We are a very individually-oriented society, and I think that's good thing. On the other hand, we seem to need to join together for a common purpose, and sometimes sacrifice our individuality to the group. But that's where cults come from - but also religion, the family, and clubs. So help!

Such a fine line...

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