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Anonymous:
"I just question what new life these people gain?"
"I feel like AA, and programs like AARC stifles the spirit, and the mind. The kids from AARC I saw in the AA rooms seemed entranced."
 "I feel so sad when I think of children going through programs like AARC and being stripped of their individuality"
"It is easy to go on a journey of self discovery, and get covered in tattoos when you have a trust fund set up to make it all happen"

Judgement & intolerance posed as "opinion" & "expressing my individuality" and "speaking for myself". But hey, at least you don't care what others think of you.

"Covered in tattoos, and in AA...in Calgary?? Where have you been hiding out??"

Hiding out? Hardly. I go to my meeting every week, and have been attending AA functions regularly. The only reason I mention Noah is the fact he is living his life just like anyone outside has the right to. He certainly is not perfect and makes mistakes. As do I. Most people do.

Again, I wish you well, but try not to generalize. Everyone in AA and outside AA has a unique, individual experience. I know plenty of mindless drones outside of AA. But who am I to judge. - Just my "opinion" of course. :smile:
Maybe I'll see you at a meeting some time!

Anonymous:
I was just making a joke with the hiding out comment....it would have been nice to see someone else that loves tattoos!!

I noticed you copied and pasted some of my statements. Did you notice they began with words like "I feel", or simply just "I". How much more clear could it be that I am speaking for myself? I never claimed these things to be fact...this is just how I feel. Why is this a problem for you?

As for the trust fund comment, that is something that is indeed a fact. Noah Levine was able to travel the world (where he "awoke") using the money from his trust fund. Simple as that.  He stated it point blank in his book. Go back and have a look.
 
Am I personally intolerant to AA, AARC? absolutely. I speak for myself, and nobody else. I have a right to it, and to express myself. There is no posing about it. I spoke my personal truth.

This is what I was talking about in my post. Why do you need to make it out like my opinion is somehow a guise for something else? It is what it is. I found this site and felt grateful that there were others that shared my opinion. I did not come here to attempt to right any wrongs I believe are occuring. Is that what you are here for?

I knew my post would be a sitting duck for someone who doesn't agree with me. All you need to do is say "I disagree, here is why, here is my experience". You don't need to make accusations.  The only judgement and intolerance I have seen here so far has been from you. Labeling me something because I don't share your views is the height of judgementalism in my opinion.

I "generalize" from my own experience. What human being does not assess situations according to their own experience? I am a learning and growing person. Certainly learning from my own mistakes.

You are making a generalization by calling me intolerant based on one post I have written on an internet forum. You don't know me, I don't know you. I don't fault you for it however, as that is what we do. We assess things.

As for seeing me at a meeting. I am not sure why you would write that. Was my post not clear? Were you joking? Were you being smug? Not really clear on that.

Anonymous:
I stand by what I said - Judgement & intolerance posed as "opinion" & "expressing my individuality" and "speaking for myself".

As far as me being judgemental it is difficult to point out were someone is being disingenuous (sic?) by using statements beginning with "I feel" and "its my opinion" and patronizing or belittling someone else for how they come off in an AA meeting. As far as it only being "my opinion", you seem to find that my statements offend or irritate you, then you should understand that it works both ways. One persons opinion can always be seen as a judgement by others. No one knows your real intentions, they only see your actions.

Do I take offence to someone passing judgement on AARC who has never been through it? You bet. Walk a mile in my shoes first. Your experience in AA is your own, its not for everyone.

As far as Noah traveling on a trust fund - my parents paid for my treatment, and it didn't make it any less meaningful. They also paid for some of my schooling, and same deal.

"You are making a generalization by calling me intolerant based on one post"
"Am I personally intolerant to AA, AARC? absolutely."

Really I was just having some fun, and didn't mean to offend you. You are obviously really bright and my only concern is that too many people write on this board with the intention of making anyone who feels positively about AARC second guess themselves. Provoking and baiting people who are getting on with their lives is silly.

All the best!

Anonymous:

--- Quote ---On 2004-12-02 18:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I was just making a joke with the hiding out comment....it would have been nice to see someone else that loves tattoos!!


As for seeing me at a meeting. I am not sure why you would write that. Was my post not clear? Were you joking? Were you being smug? Not really clear on that."

--- End quote ---


Just kidding, geeeeez!
I'm always up for coffee though!

Anonymous:
the only reason I would have to go for coffee is to see all these tattoos you have talked about...

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