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« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2005, 02:53:00 PM »
Great news. Would like to have been present for the trial. Thanks for the report. Please post a link to any articles you come across.
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« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2005, 03:29:00 PM »
Sorry don't know how to make this a link, but this is just posted on the AZ Republic website:

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0103long-ON.html
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« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2005, 05:47:00 PM »
I was one of the jurors on this case. I am choosing to post this as an anonymous post because I really haven't decided whether or not to talk to the press. I came home today with mixed feelings, and did a search to see what there was out there that I didn't know. I came across this forum, and felt compelled to add a post. While MANY of us would have been happier with a 2nd degree murder conviction, I am just happy we were able to not be a hung jury on this count! Having a mistrial declared on counts 2-9 was horrible! But it only takes one person.... I am glad this is over with, and I hope our verdicts do something to help prevent more of this abuse! The prosecution did a tremendous job. A lot of the articles that are linked from AZCentral don't give an accurate account of what happened in the courtroom.
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« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2005, 07:10:00 PM »
?This is wrong,?? said Carmelina Long, after her husband?s conviction. ?They've put an innocent man in jail? All he ever did was dedicate his life to working with kids? He will be vindicated. He's a good man, a soldier for the Lord.''
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Soldier for the Lord... makes your skin crawl doesn't it?

And how bout that Hutty... selective memory? Am I reading this right? Hutty was there on vacation with his sons and was in charge of the program participants in Long's absence???

***When Haynes later appeared to go into convulsions, Hutty claimed he went to put a pen in the child's mouth to keep him from swallowing his tongue. "He cracked a smile as if he was just playing around," Hutty told the court.

Might he have been delirious? Guess that possibility never crossed their feeble minds. Not even when the kid was puking dirt and rocks and became nonresponsive? That's just pure ignorance. They should share a jail cell and be march to point of collapse on a daily basis.
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« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2005, 07:31:00 PM »
If you had seen (and heard!) Carmelina in the courtroom you would know you shouldn't believe anything she says. She was caught in so many lies it was unreal.

The good thing is I was just able to watch the news (after 3 months!) and was able to see Charles Long being led away in handcuffs. The jury was removed before him, so we didn't get to  see him taken into custody.

It's so nice to be able to let some of this out after 3 months of not being able to talk!
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« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2005, 07:44:00 PM »
Is anyone else having trouble with the AZ Central link?
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« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2005, 07:50:00 PM »
No problem here. I'll copy it here and Ginger can remove it later if she likes.

Boot camp director guilty in teen's death

Michael Kiefer
The Arizona Republic
Jan. 3, 2005 02:50 PM

Charles Long, founder of a summer desert survival camp near Buckeye, was found guilty of reckless manslaughter today in the 2001 death of a 14-year-old camp participant. The jury, which began deliberations on Dec. 14, also convicted him of aggravated assault for threatening another camper with a knife; they were hung on eight counts of child abuse.

?This is wrong,?? said Carmelina Long, after her husband?s conviction. ?They've put an innocent man in jail? All he ever did was dedicate his life to working with kids? He will be vindicated. He's a good man, a soldier for the Lord.''

Each count stems from a different child attending the camp operated by Long?s Buffalo Soldiers Re-Enactors Association. The most serious charge arose from the July 2001 death of Anthony Haynes.

Haynes, who attended the camp, was sitting in a disciplinary line in the July heat when he began acting erratically, eating dirt and possibly hallucinating. A counselor and several youths took him to a hotel and placed him, unconscious, in a shower bath, where he inhaled water.

Then rather than call for medical help, they took him back to the camp, where he died.

Haynes mother, Melanie Hudson, said she was pleased with the jury?s decision. ??What they did is a difficult thing to do. It won?t bring Tony back.? But she added that she was, ?thankful this nightmare is over.?

Jurors struggled to reach a decision on Count 1, the homicide charge, among options ranging from second-degree murder to negligence. They settled on reckless manslaughter.

Myrna Lee, the only panelist to speak with a reporter, said: "There was never any doubt as to the guilt on Count 1, it was the level of guilt."

Long, 59, was accused of telling the counselors to bring Haynes back to the camp rather than taking him to a hospital when he wasn?t responding.

Long maintained the allegations against him were false.

The trial began Oct. 6 before Judge Ronald S. Reinstein of Maricopa County Superior Court and lasted through early December.

Former Maricopa County Chief Medical Examiner Philip Keen testified during the trial that Haynes might have been saved if camp counselors had sought medical attention. But he stopped short of saying that counselors should recognize the symptoms, and ruled the death an accident.

Haynes died of complications from near-drowning and dehydration, Keen said. He also told jurors that one of tje boy's sinus cavities was full of fluid -- symptomatic of drowning -- and his lungs were so full that they were twice their normal weight. Also, his electrolyte levels showed that he had become severely dehydrated over the last hours of his life, he said.

"He probably needs water more than he needs medical attention," Keen said.

However, on questioning from Deputy County Attorney Mark Barry, Keen would not pinpoint a time when Long and his associates should have called for help.

"When he's not responding, we need to do something for him," Keen said.

Among key witnesses who helped painted the pictire of what happened at the camp was Troy Hutty, an adult who attended the tough-love boot camp. Hutty pleaded guilty to negligent homicide in Haynes' death, and was promised a sentence of probation if he testified in Long's trial.

But Hutty, 32, had difficulty remembering many details, and in his testy responses to the prosecutor's questions, reinforced the defense's argument that Long was not with Haynes as he was dying nor when other allegations of abuse took place.

Hutty flew to Phoenix from his home in Pennsylvania to testify. During his testimony, he said that he and his two children attended Long's camp as a vacation and so that his children could learn about Buffalo Soldiers, African-Americans who fought in military campaigns against Mexicans and Native Americans in the late 19th century West. Long's association re-enacts those battles.

Many of the other children, who ranged in age from 7 to 18, had been in trouble with the law or with their families.

Anthony Haynes was an overweight boy taking medication for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. On July 1, 2001, Hutty said, Haynes began acting erratic while sitting in the sun in a "drop on request" or DOR line, because he wanted to leave the camp.

Hutty claimed that Haynes ate dirt and refused to drink or wash out his mouth with water.

Then Haynes ran around the campsite "screaming and making a bunch of crazy sounds" and doing what Hutty called "Three Stooges antics," striking others, hitting himself in the face and smearing dirt on himself.

When Haynes later appeared to go into convulsions, Hutty claimed he went to put a pen in the child's mouth to keep him from swallowing his tongue.

"He cracked a smile as if he was just playing around," Hutty told the court.

According to Hutty, Long then told Hutty to take Haynes and four other boys to a nearby hotel to shower. They carried Haynes to a pickup truck and placed him in the bed, then carried him up to the room. He was now unresponsive and started vomiting dirt and stones in the room. Hutty and the boys undressed him and placed him in the shower.

When Hutty checked on him, the shower drain had clogged with the vomit, though he claimed that Haynes' face was above water. Then he said he used his foot to put pressure on the boy's stomach to force out more dirt and stones.

He called Long, who told him to bring the boy back to camp.

When he got there, Haynes' pupils were dilated, and Hutty and Long began performing CPR, but Haynes died.
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« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2005, 08:04:00 PM »
Thanks :tup:
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« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2005, 08:07:00 PM »
Anon Juror,
Were there any other testimonies as to the events that occured the day of his death, other than from those with a vested interest in protecting themselves?
Did any of the four participants who accompanied him to the hotel testify? If so, did their testimony conflict with or support that of the 'defendents'?
How much time lasped between the time when Anthony ate dirt and when they performed CPR?
How long was this boy in that hotel bathtub?
WHY did they have to 'carry' him to the bed of the truck if he was concious enough to be 'just playing around'?
WHY did Hutty and the boys have to undress him?
Wish the media would do a better job with the details.
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« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2005, 08:14:00 PM »
Thank you thank you to the anonymous-posting juror!  You and the others did a fantastic job.  
Many people here were afraid he'd get off *because* of the 2nd degree murder charge--hard because he wasn't physically present when Tony went down.  Bless all you jurors for sticking it out for the deliberations and for asking, it seems, all the right questions, including penalties for the various counts, which was above and beyond what your duty as jurors.  

While I was writing this, I went out to look at the news so I could see Long led off in cuffs.  What I got instead was Carmelina Long saying Tony committed suicide.

Again, thank you and all your fellow jurors for doing a great job to put this killer where he belongs.
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« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2005, 08:20:00 PM »
Let me answer these one at a time:

Anon Juror,
Were there any other testimonies as to the events that occured the day of his death, other than from those with a vested interest in protecting themselves?
**Yes, we heard from a lot of the kids that were at the camp, including the 8 other children that were in the DOR line.
Did any of the four participants who accompanied him to the hotel testify? If so, did their testimony conflict with or support that of the 'defendents'? No one testimony supported the defendants! We heard Hutty and two of campers that were 13 at the time of the camp confirm that Long ordered Tony taken to the hotel, and then ordered that 911 not be called and that Tony be brought back to the camp.
How much time lasped between the time when Anthony ate dirt and when they performed CPR? **There was no absolute timeline. No one had a watch (contraband at the camp). As near as a timeline could be established would put the DOR line being formed at around 12 - 1PM. They left for the hotel at 7 PM, Hutty spoke to Long at 8:14 (when he was ordered to "clean him up and bring him back), 911 was called at 9:43 PM!!
How long was this boy in that hotel bathtub? Not long, I can't remeber an absolute time being given. I can tell you he wasn't put in a full tub, he was propped up in the tub and the shower turned on with the drain open. The drain became clogged with feces/mug.
WHY did they have to 'carry' him to the bed of the truck if he was concious enough to be 'just playing around'?
**We heard 14 ( :evil: people say Tony was unconcious. The playing around is just a lie.
WHY did Hutty and the boys have to undress him? **To clean him up.
**The kids hadn't had showers in a week in 110 degree weather. I think Long knew Tony was in trouble, and wanted him clean and in someone elses care (Hutty)
Wish the media would do a better job with the details.
**Think of how frustrating it is for us jurors, who listened to this for 10 weeks and now are reading the reoprts!
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« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2005, 08:23:00 PM »
Thank you for your kind words. This is the hardest thing I have ever gone through, and I know my fellow jurors feel the same. We had one juror who had an agenda all her own (refered to Long as "Chuck!!), so I am thankful we were able to accomplish what we did.
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« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2005, 08:28:00 PM »
Thanks. That certainly is about what I had imagined. I really resent that Hutty walked. What adult in their right mind would put a kid who was 'UNRESPONSIVE' and vomiting in a bathtub and leave them unattended? There's just no excuse.

The article refered to Hutty as a counselor, yet also stated that he was there on vacation with his kids. What's the deal on that? Was this guy qualified to be in charge of Anthony? Or was this considered 'insignificant' since Hutty wasn't being tried? At the least, should have been another strike against Long for having untrained staff if that was the case.
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« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2005, 08:46:00 PM »
This is fantastic news ... justice has indeed been served and I, for one, am extremely grateful the jurors in this case were able to come to a unanimous verdict. God Bless you "anonymous" juror for taking the time to share your thoughts and feelings.  I do believe you when you say this was the hardest thing you ever had to go through but I trust you are at peace with your decision to hold Charles Long accountable for the tragic and wholly preventable death of Tony Haynes.

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