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Vodka thoughts
cleveland:
Thanks!
Robin Martin:
--- Quote ---On 2004-11-16 08:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"well, if you were really "melting down anything that fit in a syringe" at 15 years old, maybe you are the rare individual that was indeed worthless, hopeless and gonna die.
For most people that was just cultic mantra.
Perhaps the Seed should have been you and the four other addicts it treated over its 30 year lifespan.
You just dont understand Robin, that most of us were just fine before we got mind fucked in the Seed, that the Seed caused much more problems than it ever proposed to solve.
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To CCGAR61 and others who "feel my (past) pain... (thanks for getting my back) Anon - you are definitely living in another world - "one of four"?? You've got to be kidding!! I'm not sure which "program" you participated in, but it wasn't the one that helped me. You must have attended the "later years" when addiction became "socially unacceptable" and cocain was in vogue. That was NOT the case w/ my peers in the Seed during 72-74. Just wanted to make that clarification.
GregFL:
Robin, I was there in St Pete in 73, right when you were. The VAST MAJORITY of the kids were pot smokers and maybe the occasional qualude. People shooting up were far outnumbered by people who had never done any drugs or maybe drank a beer or two. There were even kids sentenced to the seed by local judges for shoplifting. It was a wearhouse full of mostly little spoiled middle class and rich white kids unwillingly submitted to the Seed cult.
I remember not one junkie in there that was fifteen. Not one. You may be the exception but you are coming off like that was the norm. Hell, we had more nine ör ten year old "druggie attitudes" than kids with real addiction issues.
Robin Martin:
Yes, Greg, your recollections are fairly clear. 'm aware of many "lightweights" in the program, but I assure you there were more "heavyweights" than you're willing to remember. Yes, I remember the 9-yr old who smoked pot w/ his parents on a daily basis and I wondered why on earth HE was there. I also remember those of us who had reached the VERY BOTTOM OF THE BARREL (several, on my account) that had no alternative other than the Seed. You were obviously, not one of those who were in because of a "life or death" situation and I feel for you. But, for those of us who were, the program was a life saver. Call me...
Antigen:
Here's something that may be helpful.
--- Quote ---On 2004-11-18 07:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
We are suppose to give and expect nothing in return but when we feel we have received nothing in return I only feel used and unappreciated.
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This is a double bind; one of many employed in Synanon based programs. Was there ever a day, even a moment, when the Program didn't demand 100%+ from you? No? But.... weren't they supposed to be giving and demanding nothing in return?
OK then! This is probably a false idea. Even a slave receives food, shelter and protection in return for his obedient service. A soverign, free individual always strives to get fair value for their effort. This is not a crime! It's not wrong. It's the action end of having self worth to expect and insist on being appreciated.
So quit looking for people who need what you got and trying to give away the farm and start looking to invest your passions and energies in people who got what you need.
Were the government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now. Thus in France the emetic was once forbidden as a medicine, and the potato as an article of food. Government is just as infallible,[sic] too, when it fixes systems in physics. Galileo was sent to the Inquisition for affirming that the earth was a sphere.... It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.
Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia
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