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The Final Days
GregFL:
Sorry you perceive things like that Thom. Your perception isn't always shared by everyone else tho. You have a way of saying things that begg to be discussed/challenged and then getting all indignant when people do so.
But more importantly, you have a sister here that I think is pretty cool. That you two cannot have an extended civil moment, and it seems to mostly surround program dogma issues, is evidence of the way the seed destroyed families.
Thanks for popping in from time to time to provide evidence of that in real time.
Wishing you the best, and a power enabled future.
GregFL
Thom:
Yea, just like that, see what I mean Stripe?
Anonymous:
Thom:
It's tough all the way around the seed place - now and then. My brother and I were in Ft.Lauderdale from March of 73 till sometime in 1974. He was 19/20, I was 14/15.
Being in there did not kill our friendship, but I can see how in the case of entire families, rigid program dogma might have some really negative impact. I surely don't know what I can say to make anything any difference for you and your sister. Forgiveness is one word I would stress.
For me and my brother, the experience sucked the life out of us and sent us down some long, hairy roads. But through it all we managed to stay kind and watch out for each other.
I've only been hanging out in this forum since November '04. I don't think Greg is looking to hurt you or jump on you. There is some history I obviously am not privy to that might make everyone's reactions more understandable to an outsider, but those are private matters. Forgiveness.
It took me a while to get used to reactions from people about statements I make - some times my comments make people react and frankly,sometimes people make react. But I like to think I'm an open-minded person, so I have to consider other's view points. I don't have to believe them, use them, or take them to heart - just consider them. That's the beauty of it all - the discussion. Resolution will eventually come for us all.
I have one Seedling friend I dearly love - but she and I are like oil and water on some of this stuff, but it still doesn't change the fact that she has also been a friend for many many years. We have just agreed to disagree about some stuff. I don't think it makes eitehr of us wrong.
Can you see that idea in relation to your family? Hope I see and read your words again.
Stripe
GregFL:
I think the thing that triggers this whole thing off for me, other than the fact that I count Ginger a close friend, is that my family was also shredded by the Seed right along pro/con issues.
I was the con. I absolutely rejected everything seedling as soon as I could, and I paid a dear price. I lost my father for the remainder of my teenage years. My sister ended up having a close relationship with him which further seperated us. As I went into adulthood, no one would listen to me. In college I researched the seed and came up with all sorts of interesting stuff, but no one would hear it. I almost got in a fistfight with Art, and my family dismissed the whole thing offhand.
As I got older any discussion ended up with it was bad and hurtfull/it saved your otherwise deadinsaneinjail life. I remained frustrated and on the fringe of the more accepted dogma embracing people in the family.
This crap hurt. Finally it stopped but only because my anger left and my argument is too strong for them to challenge it anymore. My sister came around and stopped buckling under my fathers efforts to squelch examination of what happened.
However, I see remnants of my situation in this discussion and I somehow just wish it would fix itself.
Thom, you are always welcome here, I don't care how you feel or what your opinion of me is. I also wish you would understand it is sometimes a tad uncomfortable to watch this unfold in public for others, including me.
GregFL:
And yes Thom, I picked up on the "Seedation" word also in your post.
It is a creepy word attached to a creepy place.
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