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The Final Days
Antigen:
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"A note to those looking around the internet for recovery support ? fair warning:
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
See? This is what I'm talkin' about, brother! You know you didn't have a drug problem when you were 14 (which, btw, is not what you were saying last time we talked or the time before that or when you were posting here before) And you say you've been sober for 13 years now (aside from.... well, better not, it's your private business) And yet, for some reason, you seem to have made a lifestyle of the Program.
Why would you expect this site to be about "recovery support"? Is it labeled as an AA support group? Or is it just that you expect the whole world to share your perspective on the matter?
Just like The Orange Papers http://www.orange-papers.org/ is about and not a part of AA, this is a site about various treatment facilities and TBSs. This site is not a part of any of them.
And yes, there is quite a bit of hostility around here lately. But have you notices that, for the most part, it's coming from you? And, btw, I don't know if Fred Rogers would apreciate having that sort of tone affiliated w/ his image. Your other idea was much more apropos.
In all history, there is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare. Only one who knows the disastrous effects of a long war can realize the supreme importance of rapidity in bringing it to a close. It is only one who is thoroughly acquainted with the evils of war who can thoroughly understand the profitable way of carrying it on.
--Sun Tzu (author of The Art of War
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
GregFL:
Thom, I went back and read your post again.
You enetered the Seed voluntarily, at age 14, for a maturity problem?
You seem to think I have reading comprehension (and spelling) issues. Therefore, correct me here.
Your major problem was "maturity" and you voluntarily went in the seed?
Why? Were you already a seed sibling? What prompted this voluntary surrender of your 14 year old freedom?
Thanks.
Antigen:
Yeah, come to think of it, I've always wondered how it all began. I know you and I have tried to have this conversation in private. But somehow it always winds up in a brawl.
I have to tell you, too, that I almost look forward to it. It's about the only kind of communication I've had w/ you in decades now and ... well, nobody does it better. Blow for blow, there's just nothing like a good old morning sermon and none but us goddamned kids and mom ever learned the lingo.
Maybe we can both be on our best behavior here with all the guests?
And I would like to know who went first, why, did Billi recruit Mom or was it the other way around? What's our history, big brother. I really want to know.
After all, who wouldn't prefer Middle Earth, unless they've been corrupted by a Ring of Power?
Jeff Elkins; Tolkien's Libertarian Vision
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Stripe:
Did anybody notice the use of the word "seedation". I've not seen that used here before altough it may have been. That's a good word to describe what happens to children who ARE NOT addicted and get programmed to be beleive they are. It makes one a zombie.
Seedated people go through life, searching, living on the edge and running with the big dogs but never really making it in phase of life. For some reason I was never able to truly get addicted to anything but I sure as hell did try to live up to that label for a few years.
None of the "seedation" became apparent to me until I realized I was programmed to believe I was an addict. My life has not been a waste by any means, although I have been what might be termed "a late bloomer" all my life. Who knows what I might have accomplished by now if I had not been "seedated".
Hey Thom, you don't know me, but I can almost guarantee you that there is nothing inherently wrong with you. You were never brokern or damaged until you were "seedated".
I was asleep at the wheel for 30 years. Man, it's great to be awake. :wave:
Thom:
Hey Stripe,
I was wondering if anyone saw that (seedation). I think I made it up, but someone may have used it somewhere. Although I don't feel wordy to be called a 'writer', I do get enjoyment out of wordcoinagization. Thanks for noticing.
My experience was a bit different. I never really felt like an addict until in my 30's when I wanted to stop a behavior, and could not. I never really identified with the 'drug addicts' at the Seed, except that I did beleive my casual drug use could conceivably escalate to a higher level. I had never even been exposed to coke, speed, heroin, and stuff like that up to that time. Watching the way some of the staff acted, kind of brain damaged, put a good scare into me for a while, and probably helped to keep my drug use reined in. So, I quess what I was thinking when I used the word 'seedation' was that my experience at the Seed slowed me down abit in the area of drug use.
As far as feeling like I was broken or damaged, I didn't and don't. That's just a theory Ginger seems to be fixated on for the last 20 years or so. I do wish she would move on from it. It makes engaging in any normal dialog nearly impossible. It always gets around to 'Thom, there is nothing wrong with you, stop beating yourself up' stuff. I'm almost 50 now, and don't really see much value in re-hashing stuff that happened 30 years ago.
I just popped in last week to wish Ginger a happy birthday, since last time I checked, she had my email address blocked, and I don't know a phone number or address, and then Greg, 'the monster at the side of the group' jumps in wanting to stir up discussions we had a couple years ago...I really don't have time for this these days. I pretty much live in the 'now' (although now and then in the then, but I won't deal with that now)
Take care, and thanks for picking up on 'my' word :wave: have a good life![ This Message was edited by: Thom on 2005-02-08 13:10 ][ This Message was edited by: Thom on 2005-02-08 13:25 ]
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