Exit Polls Right, Tallies Wrong?

[Deborah]

Exit Polls Right, Tallies Wrong?

The hot story in the blogosphere is that the "erroneous" exit polls that showed Kerry carrying Florida and Ohio (among other states) weren't erroneous at all ? it was the numbers produced by voting machines that were wrong, and Kerry actually won. As more and more analysis is done of what may (or may not) be the most massive election fraud in the history of the world, however, it's critical that we keep the largest issue at the forefront at all time: Why are We The People allowing private, for-profit corporations, answerable only to their officers and boards of directors, and loyal only to agendas and politicians that will enhance their profitability, to handle our votes?

Maybe Florida went for Kerry, maybe for Bush. Over time ? and through the efforts of some very motivated investigative reporters ? we may well find out (Bev Harris of blackboxvoting.org just filed what may be the largest Freedom of Information Act [FOIA} filing in history), and bloggers and investigative reporters are discovering an odd discrepancy in exit polls being largely accurate in paper-ballot states and oddly inaccurate in touch-screen electronic voting states. Even raw voter analyses are showing extreme oddities in touch-screen-run Florida, and eagle-eyed bloggers are finding that news organizations are retroactively altering their exit polls to coincide with what the machines ultimately said.

More at:  http://www.alternet.org/election04/20416/

And from the link above "raw voter analyses":
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/3/52213/1921

Florida numbers vs 2000 - something is wrong
by BuckMulligan
Wed Nov 3rd, 2004 at 02:22:13 PST

2000                 2004
Bush 2,912,790      Bush  3,836,216
Gore 2,912,253      Kerry 3,459,293
Nader   97,421      Nader    32,035
Other   40,193      Other    28,382

= 7,355,296 (2004) - 5,963,657 (2000) = 1,392,639 new voters (99% precincts counted, no provisionals or absentees).

So, we have 1.39 million new voters, and Kerry loses by 376,923 votes? Thus, he lost an overwhelming majoirty of them, or he lost an overwhelming majority of regular voters - much, much more than Gore lost.

We have 77,197 fewer third party votes, but Kerry loses the vast majority of these?

[This is exactly what I have been wondering. Course if Kerry was a foil in this Skull and Bones Production "Decision 2004", would anyone want him leading the country.]

Exit polling numbers show that Kerry had more Hispanic and Cuban support than Gore did, and Kerry lost?

Most exit polls in Florida showed Kerry leading, yet he loses by a massive 5%?

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All this after an incredibly failed presidency?

After looking at these numbers, I can come to only one conclusion. The Diebold machines were rigged.

There is no way provisional or absentee ballot are going to make up the 376,923 votes - unless a LOT of people were challenged in the urban areas and had to fill out provisionals.

These Florida numbers JUST DON'T MAKE SENSE!

[ehm]

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won_.php

[Anonymous]

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

Looks pretty fishy.  According to this we are expected to believe that mass numbers of registered Democrats most of whom voted for Gore turned into Republicans.  This is clearly fraud.  No way that counties that were more than 75% registered Democrat compared to less than 25% registered Republicans went nearly 3 to 1 for Bush like for example Union County. Surprising isn't the word.  The word is unbelievable. Notice how many counties with high Democratic voter registration show negative change for Democrats and massive positive change for Republicans.  In the most entrenched polarized state that was ground zero for the election theft of 2000 and where the US Civil Rights Commission has formally asked the Justice Department for a criminal investigation of the current election this does not compute.

Check out Liberty County where  88.3 % of the registered voters are Dems. There was a
712.3% increase in Republican votes!

[Antigen]

On 2004-11-05 17:06:00, Deborah wrote:

As more and more analysis is done of what may (or may not) be the most massive election fraud in the history of the world,...

No, that's not accurate at all. In the last election in Iraq, Hussein supposedly garnered 100% of the vote. Same thing happens perenially in Cuba. Not 100%, but damned close; this despite the continual stream of Cubans voting w/ their feet (or inner tube rafts).

It's an important distinction! Americans still have a very distorted view of how things work. Everyone else in the world understands that corruption and conspiracy are facts of life. Only in America can this level of fraud be carried off right in front of all of us and, still, enough people simply unsee it that they get away with it.

But it's really no different here and now than anywhere and anytime. The fact is that the people in charge have no respect for the law, neither the letter nor the spirit of it. And the rest of us are too afraid of upsetting the apple cart to have the sons of bitches hauled off as the criminals that they are.

So I expect we'll continue on as we have, poorer and poorer, less and less free untill we reach some point of desperation similar to our cousins in the former USSR.

Any priest or shaman must be presumed guilty until proven innocent.
--Robert A. Heinlen, American science-ficiton author

[Deborah]

Evidence Mounts That The Vote Was Hacked  
by Thom Hartmann  
 
When I spoke with Jeff Fisher this morning (Saturday, November 06, 2004), the Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for the FBI to show up. Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida election was hacked, but of who hacked it and how. And not just this year, he said, but that these same people had previously hacked the Democratic primary race in 2002 so that Jeb Bush would not have to run against Janet Reno, who presented a real threat to Jeb, but instead against Bill McBride, who Jeb beat.

"It was practice for a national effort," Fisher told me.

And some believe evidence is accumulating that the national effort happened on November 2, 2004.

The State of Florida, for example, publishes a county-by-county record of votes cast and people registered to vote by party affiliation. Net denizen Kathy Dopp compiled the official state information into a table, available at http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm, and noticed something startling.

More at:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm

[Anonymous]

On 2004-11-06 22:10:00, Deborah wrote:

"Evidence Mounts That The Vote Was Hacked  

by Thom Hartmann  

 
When I spoke with Jeff Fisher this morning (Saturday, November 06, 2004), the Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for the FBI to show up. Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida election was hacked, but of who hacked it and how. And not just this year, he said, but that these same people had previously hacked the Democratic primary race in 2002 so that Jeb Bush would not have to run against Janet Reno, who presented a real threat to Jeb, but instead against Bill McBride, who Jeb beat.



"It was practice for a national effort," Fisher told me.



And some believe evidence is accumulating that the national effort happened on November 2, 2004.



The State of Florida, for example, publishes a county-by-county record of votes cast and people registered to vote by party affiliation. Net denizen Kathy Dopp compiled the official state information into a table, available at http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm, and noticed something startling.



More at:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm









 
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You conspiracy people really need to get a fucking grip, and Deb please quit pasting your long drawn out articles, we don't read them and we don't give a shit.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-11-05 19:27:00, cult survivor wrote:

"http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won_.php"

You idiots are whining more than Gore did in the last election when he couldn't let it go. For christ sake , if their was a possibility of fruad Kerry would have used the Army of attorneys he had to fight this one. I quess in the future who ever wins Dem or Repub, if it is close than the elction will be stolen right? So if Kerry would have one by 1000 votes than he would have stolen the election? You fucking people are idiots.

[Antigen]

Anyone who's ever cracked a history book and doesn't believe in grand conspiracy must be either illiterate or extremely credulous.

It has ever been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues

--Abraham Lincoln

[Anonymous]

Incredible As It May Seem, MSNBC Covers Voting Problems

A BUZZFLASH READER CONTRIBUTION

Just watched Keith Olbermann on MSNBC in which he did a story on election problems. He said that there were 90,000 more votes cast in Ohio than registered voters (he went through a list of counties and said how many voters were registered in each and how many extra thousands of votes were recorded).

He reported how in Florida counties, heavily-leaning dem counties went overwhelmingly for Bush -- the first time these counties have ever voted Repub. He showed charts with numbers, etc., it was very compelling.

He said that all the irregularities in Florida and Ohio have happened in counties using non-paper-trail e-voting from the companies run by Bush's friends.

More at: http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/0 ... 04492.html

[Deborah]

Must See MSNBC coverage of voter fraud, including fraud info on Florida and Ohio and an interview with John Conyers:


http://homepage.mac.com/duffyb/nobush/i ... er270.html

[thepatriot]

[Anonymous]

WOW...that was quick!!   :wink:  :wink:

[Deborah]

http://www.bopnews.com/archives/002316.html
Voting: Free versus Slave States
 
Pre-Civil War Free vs. Slave States  as compared to  2004 Election Results.

[Anonymous]

Carolyn Baker
Manufacturing Dissent:
How "Progressives" Gave The Election To Bush
Like children in an abusive family system, traumatized progressive Americans have been desperately willing to "settle for" a less odious parent who will beat them only once a month instead of once a day. Uninformed and relying largely on corporate media or ostensibly progressive journalists who towed the "anybody but Bush" line with pit bull tenacity, they were willing to sell their souls to Kerry rather than face the excruciating reality of living in a country where clean, democratic elections no longer exist (if they ever did), where corrupted electronic voting or a Supreme Court can, did, and will install a President. Rather than own that their government committed the pre-meditated murder of 3000 human beings on September 11, 2001 and used that homicide as justification for world domination, or face up to the realities of Peak Oil which will create a global energy crisis unprecedented in the history of the human race, progressives and their intellectual gurus have screamed in unison, "Conspiracy theory! Paranoia!"

Rather than confront the full implications of a USA Patriot Act, which has effectively nullified their Constitution and Bill of Rights or call their present government what it actually is, a fascist empire, progressives sentimentally proclaim that they are living in a democracy where they still hold a sacrosanct right to vote. Their reward for their implacable denial? The candidate they have "settled for" virtually bestowed the election on his Bonesman brother, and one more time, they were handed over to the wolves, but not before being toyed with and bled dry in the name of making a better America.

Progressives in their "adult children of dysfunctional families" syndrome, have failed to comprehend the authentic nature of the New World Order, that is, the corporate-sponsored, free trade global hegemony of the ruling elite, whether packaged in the blatant neoconservative agenda of the Bush Administration or the "Progressive Internationalism" of the Kerry camp. In their compulsion to choose "the lesser evil," their ability to decode the doublespeak of either one of the two faces of empire has been gravely impaired. As Richard Moore notes in his excellent article, "Doublespeak And The New World Order,"

Progressives must wake up to the attack, and somehow find a way to fight back. The Achilles heel of the NWO lies in its runaway successes: its high-handed treatment of nearly everyone has created an awesome potential counter-reaction -- if people can be made to see who the real perpetrators are, those who are engineering the decline of democratic civilization. Even its doublespeak successes can be turned against it, if people can learn to read the NWO agenda by learning to decode the propaganda it dishes out. The NWO crowd actually reveals allbin their propaganda, so arrogantly confident are they that their doublespeak enigma device won't be seen through by the people.
(http://cyberjournal.org/cj/rkm/ND/mar96 ... peak.shtml )

Article at:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BAK411B.html

[Anonymous]

http://www.chuckherrin.com/hackthevote.htm

How to Hack the Vote: the Short Version

11/13/2004 rev. 11/17/2004

Chuck Herrin, CISSP, CISA, MCSE, CEH

http://www.chuckherrin.com
Enron was a conspiracy theory, too. Were their whistleblowers Crackpots?
Were the people who lost their retirements to those corporate criminals just "sore losers"?
I've never been part of the "Tin Foil Hat" conspiracy theory crowd.  I'm just a voter who happens to be a Professional IT Auditor.