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Anonymous:

--- Quote ---On 2005-11-30 10:43:00, Matt C. Hoffman wrote:

"I remember a persons nose being brioken in the ring. Talk about a beating. That was sick



A woman who was pregnant being put in the ring .She is now dead . I can't but wonder why she would be dead.



I think she thought  it was better dead than go back into a treatment facility. She killed herself a few years after elan.



You were put in the ring until you were beaten down . I think the ring is what lead to the mismatched boxing events that you can watch on ESPN. Or at least the concept.



 I give you the ring ;A real self esteem building and confidence building tool deployed by the henchmen that ran that horror show of a therapuetic center.



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What years were you there?

Anne Bonney:
********Sigh************

It's all so familiar.   They all are so similar, use the same fucking mind control/thought reform shit.  As we've all said, same shit different wrapper.

mark babitz:

--- Quote from: "Becca" ---I have heard the ring was different back when Elan was newer, but when I was there it was very only for very extreme cases.  A student would generally get more warnings than could be counted.  They would have to have shown extreme physical violence and not responded at all to the warnings.
The ring was litterally a boxing ring.  Students would be fully padded in the same height/weight class and have to follow boxing guidelines.  
Unless the student receiving the ring refused to commit to stop their violent behavior the ring would never last more than 3 minutes.  Mine lasted 28 seconds.
I hope this clears it up for you.
Becca
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Carl Twiddlerbum:
They had pregnant girls attending Elan? I cannot think of anything worse for an unborn baby than that. Pregnant women should avoid stress right?

Ursus:
originally posted 11 Jan 2003:

--- Quote from: "davbetz" ---In 1982, at Elan 7, I had a friend die after going into the ring. It was always a no win situation, putting new people in to "modify" the behavior of 1 individual. I think, like most things there, it was used as a deterrant. Another cheap ploy to get people to submit. Only in this case it wasn't cheap, a 16 year old died......

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
--Edmund Burke[/list]
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originally posted 04 Feb 2003:

--- Quote from: "davbetz" ---Sorry it's taken me awhile to reply, not online that much anymore.
The incident I'm reffering to happened during the Christmas holidays in 1982. The resident who died was Phil Williams, a 16 year old from the state of Maine. Unfortunatly, Phil was a ward of the state, because his father was in jail for killing his mother. Phil was a Coordinator Trainee, and started complaining of having headaches. The staff felt that he was malingering, and doin this just so he didn't have to deal with the book (ie. give haircuts). This esculated to the point where he was GM'd and put in the ring for reacting during GM.(for those that thought the ring was only used for people who were violent, think again)After going 3 rounds, I think, hard to remember after over 20 years, Phil went unconscious and started vomitting profusely. After laying on the floor for around an hour,The "Staff" decided he should be brought to hospital. As for who these staff were, I'm sorry, but I cannot remember. It was a weekend and the regular house staff were not there, that much I remember. For what Director, there 'prolly wasn't one there.It was common practice that GM and Rings to be held with just whatever staff was on duty, no director required.
The following Monday, that hack of a nurse they had, came in to tell the house that what Phil died from was an enbolism and that he 'prolly would have died anyways, regardless of the ring (pretty convienent for Elan, I imagine)
Myself, 2 other residents and a staff member did go to his funeral. I'm glad Elan showed this amount of respect.
As for an investigation, I doubt there even was one. Noone ever came to house in an official capacity and asked questions of the residents. This is most likely due to he had no family to push the issue.
I would like to think that if Phil had recieved proper madical treatment prior to being in the ring, maybe he would have been ok. But this is something I'll never know.

Guard with jealous attention the public Liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that Jewel. Unfortunately, Nothing will Preserve it but downright Force. Whenever you Give Up that Force, you are ruined.....The Great Object is that every man be armed.....Everyone who is able may have a gun.
- Patrick Henry[/list]
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