scrubbibg floors not child abuse, but how bout a dumptser , with a toothbrush??in the winter,,,,, in shorts? not being allowed to have sex isnt wrong,, but how bout, fuck you u bitch, cause your hot and i have feelings for you??i tried not yelling at someone in group, they shot me down.responsibility for your actions is not a bad thing,what about phsically keping a a childs face pressed onto a corner, with the understanding that if his face isnt in corner, your ass is next?actually, concept can be a wonderful tool, only in elans case it has been twisted to fill the sick needs of the powers that be,, tell me alice dunn, did you ever really feal better bout yourself after comin out sick on men?,, or better yet,,,, did jeffry ever feel in control of his own life, after squeezing every last bit of self esteem outa people,,, anyone who was there ,, before the supposed facelift,, knows in there soul exactly what it was about,,,parents or states sending large sums of $$ to junkies, to perpetuate there own little reality that they could fix people,,, but if confronted with any real mental problems, the answer was always just beat on em till they act differant,,