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Any fond memories, lessons or other positive aspects of The
cleveland:
Yes, I can understand anger, and it's justified. I just don't think we should abuse the person -
As far as the Seed being Third Reich-ish - that's all I used to think about on the Front Row. Until I was convinced that I was really worthless and needed the Seed to survive. Is there potential for abuse in this? Yes!
However, I hung around for a long time after my Front Row and came to really like some individuals. My 'interpretation' of what I was supposed to do became a little less black and white, and finally, I couldn't stay.
Do have good memories? Yes! Did I learn something about life, mainly by seeing how easily I and others were manipulated? Yup - would I send my own kid? Nope!
I do feel bad for anyone who suffered, and whose family was torn apart - so was mine, but mine was so disfunctional at that point I hardly noticed.
So the point is - your reality is yours, mine is mine - I don't want to be shouted down by anyone if I say something they don't agree with. Otherwise it's like one of those phony Fox interviews where everyone's just yelling pointlessly.
Antigen:
Hey Wally,
This reminds me of a conversation (read brawl) that happened on a drug policy reform list. A guy, who had just been threatened w/ a baseball bat by a Baptist minister for gathering MMJ petition signatures outside the polling place asked a question. And I, being what I am, answered it bluntly and litterally.
He asked why people got so utterly freaked out and violent over something like the sight of a pot leaf on a t-shirt or long hair and tie dye. (We're talking Jax cir. 1995 or so) My answer was that older conservatives, especially there in the Bible Belt, associate all of those symbols w/ Communism.
A brawl ensued! But it's still the truth. Not that only Communists are in favor of MMJ. In fact, most MMJ activists I know are either Libertarian or Republican. But that is the perception.
I think you can expect to strike a nerve w/ a lot of former Seedlings if you speak kindly of Art. To some, he and his little clique were real mosters.
Oh hey, btw. Helen Petterman's name springs to mind behind that. Ya'll might enjoy this.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#18413
(it also sort of paralells what I was trying to say)
Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppression of both mind and body will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day
Thomas Jefferson
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Anonymous:
I was "asked to join The Seed" down in Broward, I had never heard of it and didn't have any idea what I was getting into. My parents put my brother and I in after they were informed from their kids that we were "druggies". So I spent 3 months in Broward before they opened up the seed in St. Pete. It seemed at the time that we filled that building up with all our friends from Lakewood High, sorry about that, but at least we knew everybody. I finished my program 4 months after that, and got on with the rest of my life, so far. All in all, the experience wasn't really that special or life changing, just another chapter.
I'm sure I got into drugs because "all my friends were doig it" and, "peer pressure". So through "peer pressure" at the seed I quit drugs. After getting off the program I had a choice again of where I wanted to go next I finished High School, started college, dropped out, jioned the Air Force, after finishing my stint I got married, 26 yrs now, raised a family, both in college now, and am enjoying suburban life living the american dream.
So that's my "Seed" experience not all that exciting all though I have alot of pictures in Lakewood's yearbook to remember all the Seedling's from. I took most of the pictures for the yearbook'73 and '74 and I only took pictures of my friends, Sorry. Later.
GregFL:
ANON, you have the 73 yearbook then we are old Seed inductees together. Your experience was common, the seed being a brief interlude. For others, and if you know who I am you will understand, it was much more profound than that.
Welcome and email me. I am very curious who you are.
Rocky93@tampabay.rr.com
[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2004-10-04 11:41 ]
littlenicky:
Artist: Dave Matthews Band
Album: Crash
Title: Proudest Monkey
Swing in this tree
Oh I am bounce around so well
Branch to branch
limb to limb you see
all in a day's dream
I'm stuck
Like the other monkeys here
I am a humble monkey
Sitting up in here again
But then came the day
I climbed out of these safe limbs
Ventured away
walking tall...
head high and singing
I went to the city
car horns, corners, and the gritty
Now I am the proudest monkey
You've ever seen
Monkey see Monkey do, Yeah
Then comes the day
Staring at myself I turn to question me
I wonder do I want the simple, simple life that I once lived in well
Oh things were quiet then
In a way they were the better days
Now I am I am the proudest monkey
You've ever seen
Monkey see Monkey do, Yeah
Dave Mathews Band
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