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Deborah:
Tisk Tisk anon who is afraid to use her name.
Not that you will be forthcoming but-

Which program did you attend?
Do you work in the industry now?
Why after 20 yrs, and 'moving on', are you monitoring industry message boards?
Where do you draw the line between discipline and abuse?
Do you condon what Nemo described as appropriate treatment of teens?
Why don't you invite Nemo to the ST message board?

Perhaps I should post anonymously as well, then you wouldn't have a real person to target with your rightous venom.
Like a good program girl you stalk me and judge my 'mentaliy' without revealing anything about yourself. Is that something they taught you in program? Hide behind a bag, take no responsibility for your sarcastic comments, stay anonymous so no one can confirm or dispell your claims? Hell, no one can even track your posts. You are not mature, balance, healthy, transparent or responsible. Sounds more like you learned well how to judge and manipulate.

Deborah:
Tisk Tisk, Nemo sounds like a grown up. I don't think he needs a 36 yr old, program patriot to defend him or speak for him. Don't you have something else to do?

And, refering back to your advice regarding ripping people up. It's very disrespectful for you to come to a survivor site and say such rude things about people who had horrendous experiences. Do you think your comments were mature, healthy, balanced?
"boo hoo, so they seemingly choose to be pissed off for life, and formed a little club to bitch and complain."
"you are not dealing (for the most part) with healthy, well-balanced adults."

 :lol:
Surely if you've been here long you know that your "evaluation" of parents is a waste of time. Did it occur to you to send Nemo a private message or did you choose to use this as an opportunity to anonymously slam survivors and parents. I think you are a liar and a coward.

BuzzKill:
// Ripping another parent up and down for looking for help with their child, os NOT helpful or necessary. //

I Agree.
Others disagree.
Such is the nature of life.
My concern has to do with a *Type* of program, and the mindset that abuse and neglect are acceptable methods to make a kid regret their past behavior;  'see the light' and make a change.
Not only does it not work, it kills kids. Those who survive are going to be dealing with a lot of unpleasant fall out.
Thayer seems to fit the description of this type of program.
Capt. Nemo has come to a board built around opposition to such programs and defended one. This is bound to draw all kinds of fire and is to be expected.
I regret the suggestion he be neutered; that is counter productive and likely to solidify his notion that all in opposition are wakko and close his mind like a steal trap against the possibility he should consider other options.

//Yes, I've seen/heard of those incidents before (from your links). Sad and unfortunate for sure. //

I would say more like horrible beyond belief and outrageous in the extreme.
So you have heard about these events - Have you actually read the accounts? Do you realize how callous to human suffering the staff were? How ignorant and hateful? Do you realize this is the norm, in the Type of program of concern here? This is what you get when you buy a punitive 'boot camp' program. A program designed to break a kid down for modifying. Its dangerous.[ This Message was edited by: BuzzKill on 2004-09-06 07:45 ]

Nihilanthic:
Hello, anonymous and non-anonymous!

Anyway, this made me want to reply:

" Incidents MAY occur, just like they do by abusive parents, or shotty nurses in normal hospitals, or careless workers at daycare facilities. Shall we protest and try to shut down ALL medical hospitals and day care facilities too?? "

" Tell me... how many teens have gone through or been in a "treatment program", and it resulted in death compared to the numbers overall??
If you had a poor experience in a program, and don't like them, then DON'T go into another OR place your child there. Ripping another parent up and down for looking for help with their child, os NOT helpful or necessary. "

Hmm... well, see, you don't close them all down, as hospitals and treatment is actually necessary, but you don't just ignore the problem, and you  :grin:

But JUST incase you don't feel like clicking a link, I'll paste a few key points for you!

Get a ?reality check? from school officials, teachers, family, and friends to help assess the seriousness of the child?s behavior problems.
Explore local options first, and look for a therapy program that works with the whole family, not just the teen.
Invest in physical and psychological assessments that will define the child?s problem and point to appropriate remedies.
Hire an educational consultant who works only for the family (and does not receive a commission from schools).
Investigate the schools in person, and also check with the parent watchdog groups (listed below) to avoid the worst offenders.
Ask a lawyer to review enrollment contracts before signing them.
And finally, stay in contact with the child throughout their stay in a residential facility so that you can move them out quickly at the first sign of trouble.

Kiwi:
A somewhat paradoxical phenomenon, well known among child abuse specialists, is that of the victims of abuse often going on to commit abuse themselves.  It seems this also applies to those who subcontract the abuse.

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