To Ottawas

[Antigen]

Well, I just went looking and can't find a topic w/ that heading.

Ottowa5, I know you're tech. challenged, but can you just click the "Search WWF" link to the left, find the post you say answeres the question and post the "post url" link to it so that we all can know the answer?

If you want a voluntary urine sample from me it'll have to be a taste test.
--Bumper Sticker

[Ottawa2]

Hello everyone!
I find it very interesting that some of you have a problem with my points being very much like my mothers. Well what do you expect? We know the same people that went to CEDU so our examples will be the same. As for being a "poor clone copy" I would be more concered with others on this site.
I am begining think that Bryan, SOS, OD and Pixi are copys of each other. They all sound like the exact same to me.
Pixi: As for our purpous on this site it has been stated several times.
Blownaway: Trust me all my mother wants in dialogue but most of the people on this web site are not very forth comming due to the fact that CEDU work for our family.
SOS: If you have so much going on in your life then why waist your time here arguing with my mother, who you know will not change her opinion? Really, if you have kids, a wife, a job ect I dont think you would have so much spear time to spend agruing with a random person on the internet.
Trust me I take your comments with a grain of salt. But I find it funny that you find pleasure in insulting a teenage girl! Dose it make you feel big, strong and manly? Cuz if it dose you need some seirous help my friend! I wounder if I were suicidal or anything like that, would you feel the same?
Shanlea: My mother will get back to you as soon as she can. Currently she has a lot going on with school so she dose not have to much time to spend on this web site. But you will get your answers that I can promise you. Trust me if she had more time she would have gotten back to you much sooner! With in the next few days she should have more time and will be able to give a a full answer.
 :wave: [ This Message was edited by: Ottawa2 on 2004-08-28 21:49 ]

[**PIXIE DUST**]

so what's your purpose?

If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the
government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees.

--President Bill Clinton

[blownawaytheidahoway]

On 2004-08-28 15:46:00, blownawaytheidahoway wrote:

Blownaway: Trust me all my mother wants in dialogue but most of the people on this web site are not very forth comming due to the fact that CEDU work for our family.

INCORRECT! Most People on this website ARE forthcoming. We are dumping our guts out to you! We are giving examples of what went wrong, we consistantly deal with the issues that hold us back, we respond honestly and truthfully.
     Pony up the boy and maybe we'll see how forthcoming the Ottowas are.

[Ottawa2]

No, blownaway people may have told what happened to them but they are very hostal to my mother when she expreses her opinion or ask a question. She wants to know WHY CEDU did not work for them. She already know that they had bad expriences but they have not told her why aside from things like "This guy who worked there sucked!" My mom would like more specific thing then that.(Just like Shanlea whats to know what worked for my brother)
Most people will just scream and shout at her not offering any information that might help her. She wants to have civilized dialogue, but it is verydifficult with people like SOS, OD, Bryan, Pixi and others on this site.

[**PIXIE DUST**]

dude, all i asked you was;  "what's your purpose on this web sight"  i didn't know that wasn't civilized conversation...  and please; don't fuck around with the word suicide, a lot of people have real issues with that

A free people ought...to be armed...
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/188301123X/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'> George Washington, 1790

[ This Message was edited by: **PIXIE DUST** on 2004-08-29 13:37 ]

[**PIXIE DUST**]

and anywhos, we've stated SEVERAL times why these places didn't work for us, i can do a re-cap for you though since it seens you've had a brain fart... they treat us like shit, they play mind games with us, they don't deal with our real issues, they yell at us for no reason some times (well, a lot of the time), we get called names that aren't true about us, we had NO freedom, we were isolated from people when we were on restrictions of any kind, or if staff just felt like it (we were put on bans from people, meanning we couldn't talk to certian people, make eye contact or anything, and if we got caught doing that, we would get in even more trouble), talking on the phone and writing letters are a privilage (when i first got there, i couldn't write to my brother to say "happy birthday, i love you and hope you're doing ok") we were broken down to the point where we felt hopeless and like there was no way out <- have you ever been told that because you were adopted that you weren't wanted by anyone?? cuz i have. we were tourtured by having to do work assingments. at bca, we had to shovel horse shit, clean the chicken coop, shovel burrow shit, clean rabbit cages, and haul all of that to the compost pile, we had to saw wood and split it then stack it and if the staff didn't like how it was stacked, or if they just felt like it, they would knock it over and make us stack it again, we had to haul pales of water to the animals... we couldn't just put the hose together and fill the traufs up that way, we had to fill up buckets of water one at a time and fill it up that way, we had to shovel snow from the paths, we had to chip ice off the paths, we had to pull weeds in gardens and off the paths, we had to out line paths with rocks, we had to pick up sticks that fell on the paths. there, is that enough or do i need to point out more reasons why these places didn't help people, cuz i ready and willing to do so. ::armed::  

A drug is neither moral nor immoral - it's a chemical compound. The compound itself is not a menace to society until a human being treats it as if consumption bestowed a temporary license to act like an asshole.
--Frank Zappa

[ This Message was edited by: **PIXIE DUST** on 2004-08-29 13:21 ]

[Ottawa2]

Pixi a lot of what you listed sound like just a lot of chores. Was that what your plroblem was with the place was?
Did you ever cocider this: The people running the program are under the assumption that the kids going there are runaways-druggies so of course your freedom is going to be restricted. Do you think that a place for kid like that will let you do whatever you want and go wherever you want??? Cuz that would be smart! (FYI: being sarcastic)
But what about the kid that do not need the program??? That got sent there when they did not need it?
I do know a girl who really did not need the program. After a few month CEDU sent her back home becasue they could tell she did not belong there.

[CEDU IS A CULT]

Hey ottawa2.  Right now, if you want to experience CEDU, we can do it very easily.  

Why don't you right a list of all the things you've ever put in your pussy so we can read it?

Why don't you tell us all whether you've ever sucked a dick and spit or swallow?

I know these questions are extremely offensive, but these are the things girls had to answer (in the same language) in front of all their peers, both male and female.

This is why it is important to shut the place down.  So no one will ever be abused again.

Now, you tell me-  is it abuse for you to be FORCED under sleep/food deprevation to answer those questions in front of your peers?

You say we won't answer your questions.  You are so naive about CEDU, it's rediculous.  You are just like your mother.  You will not answer the questions, you will call us ALL liars, and you will downplay it.

As far as I'm concerned, you support the abuse and if so, I find you to be a disgusting human being.

And ignorance is NO excuse, because we're telling you ALL about it.

[**PIXIE DUST**]

YAY bryan!!   :nworthy:  that was a good example of what we had to deal with at CEDU.  O2, all that we've said about all these places are very real, and until you go through the "CEDU expirence", you will never know just how BAD things would get there.

[Antigen]

And, BTW, it was the same at Straight and The Seed. Always w/ the confessions, which we called FOS lists (full of shit)

I dealt w/ it by 'confessing' to things that either never happened or that did, but that I didn't care about. Never trusted those psychos w/ anything real or important.

What is a committee?  A group of the unwilling, picked from the unfit, to do the unnecessary.    
-- Richard Harkness, The New York Times, 1960

[**PIXIE DUST**]

and BTW, those were not chores, they were what BCA, RMA, NWA, and i'm sure cedu high and cedu middle called, work assingments, meanning, if you got in trouble for ANYTHING they would give you a work assingment.  how about you try it for 2 1/2 years.  they are a punishment, and i would like to see you sruvive the fulltime punishment of CEDU.  and again, like i said, i'm ready and willing to dish out more reasons why these places didn't work for us, since it seems your brain fart is still in existence.

[Son Of Serbia]

(Pixie) I disagree with you about O2's brain fart.  You see a person actually has to be inteligent and able to think for themselves under normal circumstances to even have a "brain fart."  I don't believe that Ottawa2 meets this criteria.  Therefore it is unfair and inappropriate to use the term "brain fart" when describing Ottawa2's mind.  This is also insulting to those of us who can actually have "brain farts."  

(Pixie)  I think the word that we're really looking for to describe Ottawa2 is "BRAIN DEAD". It is a far more descriptive and accurate term.

Please make a note of this.  I shouldn't have to tell this you again. :smile:

.[ This Message was edited by: SON OF SERBIA on 2004-08-31 13:44 ]

[Antigen]

Excerpt from COMMUNIST CONTROL TECHNIQUES AND THEIR EFFECTS, Allen W. Dulles
Director of CIA, 1956
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0g8bp/site ... cument.pdf

b.  The second type of torture is represented by requiring the individual to stand in one spot for several hours or assume some other pain-inducing position.* Such a requirement often engenders in the individual a determination to "stick it out."  This internal act of resistance provides a felling of moral superiority at first.  As time passes and his pain mounts, however, the individual becomes aware that it is his own original determination to resist that is causing the continuance of pain.  A conflict develops within the individual between his moral determination and his desire to collapse and discontinue the pain.  It is this extra internal conflict, in addiction to the conflict over whether or not to give in to the demand made of him, that tends to make this method of torture more effective in the breakdown of the individual personality.  

* Unnecessary drudgery has the same effect.

Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.
--Friedrich Nietzsche

[Ottawa2]

Thank you Bryan and SOS. You just proved my point as to why my mother and I have not left the site. If you would just be civilzed and not just spout out personal attacks then my mother would be able to gather her information and then go.
Pixi, dont parents make their kids do chores? Are they being abusive for doing so?
 :wave: [ This Message was edited by: Ottawa2 on 2004-08-31 17:10 ]