Patroleum Substitues and Kerry

[Anonymous]

Here is a very interesting solution for energy.

http://www.uh.edu/collegium/print/spr03/pages/moon.html

[Anonymous]

We must as a world body get away from BURNING OIL for energy! There is a better way.

[Anonymous]

Look what these three Austin guys are doing!!!

Austin Biofuels created Texas' first Bio-filling station (shown below).  This Biodiesel station began operation in January, 2004.

http://www.austinbiofuels.com/index.php ... sid/10.php

[thepatriot]

Give me a fucking break, there is no oil shortage, crude is not fossil fuel it comes from too far deep in the earth to justify that. The only reason they lead you sheeple to believe that is to jack up the price and stick it in your ass. We will not run out of oil do a google on it or talk to any geologist its a fact and you guys are buying it hook line and sinker. We are not allowed to drill in the states, that keeps us dependent on the middle east.Its hype Mr. Dumbass Gore is full of it, even that arrogant fuck owns a SUV.

[Jeff_Berryman]

The two most promising stopgaps just now are Canadian tar sands and American Oil Shale.  Both have huge amounts of hydrocarbon, IF it can be recovered economically.  Canada is doing that now that the price of oil has made it worthwhile.  Some new technology being developed may make shale oil feasible within twenty years.  

There is also a huge quantity of methane trapped in "Clathrates"  crystals of methanized ice, in the ocean floor.   How to recover it is still being debated.

Here in PA, they're building a synthetic oil plant to make diesel fuel out of the millions of tons of waste coal lying around.  It was originally envisioned as a way to help pay for cleaning up the mess, but now it's looking economic in and of itself.  The technology is licensed from South Africa, and they've been using it there for years.  The Nazis also produced a lot of synthetic oil from "brown coal."

However, none of these solutions address the issue of global warming.  There is some reason to believe that the great Permian extinction of 250 Million years ago was caused partly by global warming, some of it cause by release of methane from clathrates.  

The technology I'm looking at hopefully is a synthetic oil process developed by Changing World Technology. Instead of using coal, it uses any carbon-containing compounds.  At the moment their pilot plant is processing oil from turkey guts out at a Con Agra turkey processing plant in Missouri.  The advantage is that this does not add new carbon to the enviroment, it uses carbon that is already in circulation.  Much better frmo a global warming perspective.  Google "Changing World Technologies."  And you'll find out all about it.

[Anonymous]

Subsidize the rich... they are our hope for a strong economy....

The Bush government, based on corporate welfare continues?even though it clearly doesn?t work and will lead to economic suicide?we go blindly on?

?As working families continue to pay $3 for a gallon of gas and brace for a spike in heating costs for the winter, the House of Representatives passed a bill that would give even more taxpayer financed subsidies to big oil companies. After Republicans extended the initial five-minute vote by an unprecedented additional forty minutes to persuade two moderate Republicans to change their votes, the bill passed 212-210-largely along party lines with twelve Republicans and one Independent voting with the unified Democratic Party against the bill.

?The deceptively named Gasoline for America's Security Act will do nothing to help lower record high gas prices or to relieve our perilous dependence on foreign oil. Instead, under the guise of hurricane relief, this new bill shamefully rolls back critical environmental protections, undermines state and local lawmakers, and even comes to the rescue of price gougers by limiting penalties that can be levied against those who take advantage of Americans at the pump.?

From Apollo Alliance?a group that supports energy diversification?.

[glider]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel# ... _arguments
http://eroei.com/eval/net_energy_list.html
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/w ... tions.html
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

Bio fuels (ethanol, bio-diesel, thermal depolorizatioin) aren't real replacements of petro fuels. Think about it, we use Natural gas based fertilizers to grow the corn (Fertilizers have doubled in price in 2004 and again in 2005 because Natrual gas peaked in North America in 2003), We use diesel driven machines to grow, harvest, and process the corn and then ship the fuel in diesel trucks. B20 and B100 fuels are more expensive than petro diesel and ALWAYS WILL BE, no matter how much diesel costs rise because the INPUTS of these fuels are on the rise, its forever a moving target. Likewise, you cannot separate the cost of building hybrid and electric cars, nuclear power plants, and wind turbines from the cost of oil. When Oil production peaks and the price sky rockets, so will the costs of building a Prius, a Wind Turbine, a dam, the costs of mining coal, our Food, and most other goods and services.

[glider]

Tar sands, shale oil, and synfuel made from domestic coal is like getting an ATM card for a bank account you didn't know you had. Massive amounts of fuel right in our backyard! So with this ATM card, you have $2 million dollars in the bank but there's only one small problem: you can only withdraw $15/day and you currently have a $200/day spending habit. The key point to understanding Peak oil is not to ask "how much oil is left and how long will we be pumping it?" but rather to ask "How much oil can we produce on a per day or per year basis?"  Although the Canadian tar sands possibly have a trillion barrells, it is unlikely that production levels, once massive infastructure is in place, will ever surpass 2 million barrells a day, certainly not enough to meet our energy needs. This is why this energy source will likely last us 200 years.

[Deborah]

San Francisco Hopes To Harness Power Of Dog Doo
Animals Produce 6,500 Tons Of Waste Each Year

POSTED: 12:35 pm EST February 22, 2006
UPDATED: 12:45 pm EST February 22, 2006

SAN FRANCISCO -- Officials in San Francisco are stepping into something new -- recycling doggie doo to generate power.

Norcal Waste, a garbage hauling company, will collect droppings from a popular dog park.

The droppings will go into a machine called a methane digester -- a tank in which bacteria feed on feces to create methane gas.

That gas could then be piped directly to a gas stove, heater or anything else powered by natural gas. It can also be used to generate electricity.

The technology is already used on chicken, hog and dairy farms.

San Francisco has plenty raw material for poo power.

Residents of the city own an estimated 240,000 dogs and cats.

City officials said Rover, Tabby and their pals produce about 6,500 tons of doo a year.

Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed

[Anonymous]

Bush and Kerry are distant cousins and also skull and bones members
there was no real choice in the elections
both candidates are extensions of the global elite

[Jeff_Berryman]

Here are links to some of the more plausible alternate energy concepts that I follow.  There are a couple of synthetic fuel technologies, a guy who wants to extract oil from algae, and a guy who wants to use recombinant DNA technology to create energy-producing microbes.  There's also an outfit that has a design for a more efficient and practical wind-power technology.  

About bio-fuels, two comments: A Canadian outfit has an enzyme that can break down cellulose into sugar for fermentation into alcohol.  This changes the equation concerning energy in vs energy out.  Now biofuel can be made from crop wastes instead of corn.  And a plant called switchgrass may become the ideal feedstock for biofuel production, since it grows in wretched soil with little or no cultivation.  

I also once talked to a guy who claimed he could build a 200 mile horizontal pipe that tapered, and which would extract energy from differences in barometric pressure.  Supposedly the air would come out of the exhaust end at supersonic speeds.  He would never identify the scientists who he claimed had verified his concept, and his successors in interest have also declined to do so.  I've pretty well lost faith on that one.

The Cold fusionists are still trying.  An outfit called Black Light claims to be near to marketing a device.  Their theory is one that came out of Cold Fusion research, but the mainstream physicists insist that it's bogus.  

My own theory is that the "Cold Fusion" phenomenon actually taps energy from neutrinos.  I published a couple of articles about it, and I have a very encouraging letter from Arthur C. Clarke framed on the wall in front of me.  

http://www.changingworldtech.com/

http://www.magoi.de/en/home/index.php?s ... 9bce92c890

http://www.greenfuelonline.com/

http://www.safehydrogen.com/

http://www.fgenterprises.net/index.php

http://www.syngasinternational.com/

http://tmawind.com/index.htm