President Jimmy Carter

[Mike007]

(...Sorry that I forgot to properly log-in for above post...)

  "Patriotism: the last refuge of a scoundrel."
   - Ben Jonson, 1630

  - Mike 007

[Deborah]

Thanks for the introduction Patriot. Hi Mike.

In regards to the last post about oil... all the more reason to be moving toward alternatives.

Bush was talking about alternative vehicles and said something to the effect that our children (or grandchildren) would be driving vehicles powered by something other than gasoline. Either way, I concluded at the time that they were going to capitalize on petroleum for another 15-20 years before they allowed alternatives to be promoted and mass produced. I think it was a state of the union address. Ring a bell?
 
What about hydrogen:
http://www.drivetosurvive.info/

Raising the fuel efficiency levels to 36 MPG could save the equivalent of approximately a million and a half barrels of oil a day, almost as much as we import from Saudi Arabia annually.

By simply creating tax incentives to encourage consumers to buy gas/electric automobiles, we could immediately start reducing our dependency on foreign oil. I'm driving one now that gets 48 MPG.

With a united effort, a hydrogen economy and total freedom from our reliance on foreign oil could be completed in 3 to 4 years. When we put our minds and resources to it, there is nothing we can't do. We have the wherewithal. What is lacking is the national will to do it.

"The mission of the IOE is to demonstrate that creating a symbiotic relationship between a strong economy and a healthy ecology is the only
formula for a sustainable future."

Dennis Weaver, Actor and Activist
From his website: http://www.dennisweaver.com/

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And this is thought provoking and kinda puts things in perspective... suggests "Water not Oil, Is The Issue"

When I read this then a lot of "strange" international and local political behavior suddenly became very logical in a cold-blooded sort of way. There is a history of water rights "grabbing" by powerful interests in Nevada and California, e.g., most recently a casino complex commandeered a small town's underground water under rights of "eminent domain."

We are being led to believe that the wars ahead of us will be about ideologies and about oil, not necessarily in that order. The bitter truth is that those wars are almost upon us, and that they're going to be about water. Human beings can live a long time without food, and a lifetime
without oil, but a few days without water to drink will kill them, and it doesn't take much longer than that for them to die when the only water they have is unfit for drinking. When people have no water, they care nothing at
all about either ideologies or oil -- which is why the powerful are buying up water rights all over the world, very quietly, behind the camouflage that oil provides. We're going to need the right metaphors for use with regard to these wars, and we're going to need them in a hurry; it would be wise to start looking right now. A good place to get an overview of the crisis is the "Water Links Worldwide" WebPages, at
http://www.unesco.org/water/water_links ... index.shtm

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[Mike007]

Deborah:

  Hi.
  We have strayed a bit from the subject of Carter, but brief comment:

  The whole damn mess is worsened by overpopulation.  It would be better if our "children and grandchildren" didn't exist.  Then, they wouldn't be driving anything.
  (And they wouldn't be clogging the roads with traffic, so it wouldn't take 45 fuckin' minutes for me to drive 10 miles to a Doctor's appointment.)

  "Human Nature" does exist, one factor of which is that people, generally, are lazy.  I have ridden many thousands of miles on bicycle (primary transport for a few years [as adult, duh]), but it's a hell of a lot easier to drive my Toyota.

  There is also the problem that 95% of the population are idiots.
  ...You think you are going to convince people, using REASONING, to give-up big SUV's and Cadillacs, to drive Hydrogen Mini-Cars??

  ...Nice meeting you, Deb...

   Hey, I gotta go... My wind-mill generator / hydrogen-electrolyzer needs to have the tanks changed...

  - Mike 007[ This Message was edited by: Mike007 on 2004-08-24 20:32 ]

[Deborah]

We do have something in common. My Toyota sometimes doesn't leave the driveway for a week at a time.

I don't imagine that I'm going to convince anyone to give up their SUV, I think it's futile... but I sure got a laugh to think about them selling their SUV for scrape metal and putsing around in a mini car.

Sorry to divert the discussion. Carry on.