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« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2004, 10:36:00 PM »
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Finite Supply- How Much Dead Stuff Does It Take to Fuel Your Tank? Tons.
By Lee Dye
Special to ABCNEWS.com

Nov. 6? Jeff Dukes was driving his lab?s huge SUV through the red hills of southern Utah when he asked his wife a question that seemed simple at the time, but led to an astonishing answer.

?We?re burning a lot of gas,? noted Dukes, then a postdoctoral researcher in ecology at the University of Utah. ?Where does all that gas come from?? he asked his wife, also an ecologist.

Months later, after extensive research, Dukes has found his answer. And it casts a new light on the precarious hole that modern humans have dug for themselves.

It turns out that it took tons and tons of tiny plants and animals, buried at the bottom of the seas, lakes or river deltas, to produce every gallon of gasoline that poured through the big engine of that SUV.

It took 98 tons, to be exact, or 196,000 pounds. For every gallon.

A Lot of Dead Matter

?That?s a shocking number,? says Dukes, who is now en route to a new post at the University of Massachusetts in Boston.

And of course nobody burns just one gallon of gasoline. That probably barely got the engine started in Dukes? SUV. We burn millions of gallons every day, and we rely on fossil fuel for a wide range of other energy needs. So how much prehistoric plant and animal material do we need to get through a single year?

Dukes zeroed in on the year 1997, and relying on reports from various agencies, including the United Nations, he came up with statistics that are really astonishing.

He found that the total amount of fossil fuel burned that year amounted to 97 million billion pounds of carbon. That?s equivalent to more than 400 times the plant material produced by the entire world during a single year.

So every day, the amount of prehistoric biological material needed to produce the fossil fuels that we burn that day is more than the entire world?s production over an entire year.

Phew.

At that rate, it would seem that we should have run out a long time ago, but ?fortunately for us, there were huge reserves to begin with,?? Dukes says, thus paving the way for the Industrial Revolution and, ultimately, his university?s SUV. But his research shows in more graphic terms than most that there are limits to this finite source, and time may well be running out.

The End Matter

Dukes is not your basic alarmist. He didn?t set out to scare the daylights out of us. He just wanted to answer a simple question that very few others have tried to answer.

?I decided to try to find out just what goes into a gallon of gas,? says Dukes, who first thought that would be a simple task. ?I figured I could just do a Web search and find out. That didn?t work.?

But as a trained scientist with access to all sorts of research, he figured he would just have to dig a little deeper to find a professional paper that answered his basic question.

?I have access to all kinds of great information and searching tools, and I still couldn?t find a paper with the answer,? he says. ?Not even a ballpark estimate.?

But he kept digging and soon found himself surrounded by bits and pieces of information. Scientists from various disciplines had looked at different parts of the issue, determining for example how much organic material is lost at each step of the multimillion-year process that turns green organisms into fossil fuel.

There are losses all along the way as the organic material is trapped in a geological formation where it will remain for millions of years while it decays into fossil fuels. The amount of loss at each step in the process is known fairly well because of the extensive research needed to find and develop fuel deposits.

By adding up all the factors, Dukes determined how much organic material was required to produce the oil, coal and gas deposits that are available to us today. Or perhaps more to the point, how much of what was originally there was lost due to erosion or other natural forces and never joined the fossil fuel pool?

And that led to another astonishing figure.

Dwindling Supply

Only one-eleventh of the carbon in plants deposited in peat bogs ends up as coal, according to his calculations. But that?s amazingly efficient compared to the process that turns biological material that was deposited in ancient marine environments into oil and natural gas.

And here?s the shocker. Only one atom out of every 10,750 carbon atoms ended up as oil or natural gas. The rest washed off, blew away, or was somehow returned to the earth?s carbon bank.

It?s amazing that the process worked at all because only a tiny percentage of organic material ?grew in a place where it could eventually become stored and turned into a fossil fuel that we could reach today,? Dukes says.

?And so you would think that we would have run out a long time ago, but fortunately there were millions and millions of years during which this fossil fuel was accumulating in all its various forms.?

Nowadays, ?we are clearly running through it quite fast,? he says. That?s why he titled a report on his research, published in the November issue of the journal Climatic Change, ?Burning Buried Sunshine: Human Consumption of Ancient Solar Energy.?

Many experts believe the world?s production of fossil fuels has already peaked. After this, if they are right, it?s all downhill.

It will take a while to get there, of course. But along the way the world?s political power will shift increasingly toward countries that have it, and away from countries that have already spent it.

The societies that survive will be those that figured out other ways to produce the fuel they needed to power their homes, factories, and transportation devices. It?s hard not to wonder why that isn?t the No. 1 priority in the world today.

Lee Dye?s column appears weekly on ABCNEWS.com. A former science writer for the Los Angeles Times, he now lives in Juneau, Alaska.
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As we all probably know, oil is old biomass. To produce the fossil fuels used by industrial civilization in the year 1997 required the equivalent biomass of 400 years of planetary plant growth.

But according to the article, only 1/10,750th of the biomass each year would get turned in to oil.

So that means in 1997, civilization consumed 4.3 million years worth of oil production. That means that in 1997, we used about 12,000 years worth of oil production per day. I don?t have any reliable figures about world oil consumption now, but obviously it?s quite a bit more.

Even that?s pretty staggering though?we?re using oil 4.3 million times as fast as it?s being produced.

Then I wondered, how much oil could we use if we wanted to use it ?sustainably??that is, as fast as it?s being produced (ignoring the industrial infrastructure required to mine and refine it, which is obviously not ecologically justifiable)? Using their figures, about 22.55 billion pounds of carbon are sequestered into oil per year. At the current population of 6.45 billion, that?s 3.50 pounds per person. About 40% of crude oil is gasoline, so let?s multiply that by 0.4, which makes 1.40 pounds of carbon (in gasoline form) per person. And for reference, a gallon of gasoline contains 5.35 pounds of carbon. That means that if we used oil at the same rate as it was being produced, we would each get about one quarter of a gallon per year per person.

That would certainly cut down on rush-hour traffic.
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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2004, 10:55:00 PM »
from: http://www.csmonitor.com

World Bank ignores its own advice
By Nadia Martinez

WASHINGTON ­ The World Bank has declared itself to be more concerned with the needs of oil companies than the impoverished people it officially serves, by ignoring most of the recommendations of a pathbreaking report that the lender itself commissioned over three years ago.

After spending millions of dollars having an independent team of experts evaluate the effects of its energy lending, the bank brushed off most of the final report's conclusions - one of which was to pull out of oil and coal projects by 2008.

By doing this, the lender has failed to distinguish its goals and standards from the likes of Halliburton, ExxonMobil, Shell, and other profit-driven institutions. US taxpayers' contributions to the World Bank are supposed to
constitute international development assistance, not corporate handouts.

Here's what happened: After years of pressure to make the World Bank more accountable for its investments, the bank's president, James Wolfensohn, pledged in Prague in 2000 to undertake a review of the World Bank's support
for the extractive industries, particularly oil, gas, and mining.

A year later, Mr. Wolfensohn appointed Emil Salim, a former Indonesian environment minister who served under the Suharto dictatorship, to lead the review. Dr. Salim was also on the board of a coal company at the time of the appointment (though he resigned later). With those credentials, most of the environmentalists, faith-based groups, development advocates, and human
rights activists who'd demanded this assessment were pessimistic about ever seeing the bank change.

To every observer's surprise, the report concluded in January that World Bank support for fossil fuel and other mining projects simply doesn't alleviate poverty. The bank sat on the startling report for six months.

The report called on the World Bank to improve its practices in the energy industry by setting in place better mechanisms to ensure that money gained from extractive projects will be used for basic needs such as education and health, instead of weapons. It urged the World Bank to adopt policies to guarantee the rights of people affected by large extractive projects, especially indigenous people. Most important, the report concluded that the World Bank should stop financing oil and coal projects altogether.

The bank's board of directors finally discussed this report, known as the Extractive Industries Review, on Aug. 3 and opted merely to endorse minimal commitments to change the way the bank does business. For example, while they pledged to increase renewable energy financing by 20 percent annually, the base line the lender is using is so low that the target for renewable support in 2005 is lower than the bank's loans for renewables in 1994. Currently fossil fuel financing at the World Bank exceeds renewable lending by a factor of 17 to 1.

Although the World Bank is a taxpayer-funded institution whose mission is to help the poorest people on the planet, it is putting the interests of oil companies based in rich countries ahead of the needs the world's poor.

Twelve years have passed since the World Bank and most of the nations in the world committed to help reduce greenhouse gas emissions at the Rio Earth Summit. Yet the Bank remains one of the biggest catalysts of fossil-fuel extraction in the developing world, and nothing that the board did in response to the Extractive Industries Review will reverse that trend.

The World Bank's rationale for continuing to subsidize oil companies is that people in developing countries need energy. However, the Institute for Policy Studies' research suggests that 82 percent of the bank's oil- extraction projects wind up supplying consumers in the United States and Europe. The Institute has also calculated that the main beneficiaries of
World Bank fossil-fuel extractive projects are Halliburton, Shell, ChevronTexaco, Total, and ExxonMobil, in that order, and the list continues.

Another rationale the World Bank offers is that its involvement in these projects offers oversight that makes them more environmentally sound and less prone to corruption. In reality, many of the bank's projects are riddled with these kinds of problems. For example, the president of Chad reportedly used part of the first proceeds from the World Bank-supported
Chad-Cameroon oil pipeline on military weapons.

The bank's own review of extractive industries was proof enough that oil companies' profits don't trickle down to the people the institution is supposed to serve - but the World Bank chose not to bring its lending more in line with its stated mission.

Nadia Martinez is Latin America coordinator for the Sustainable Energy and Economy Network at the Institute for Policy Studies.
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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2004, 10:44:00 AM »
....we're screwed!
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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2004, 07:26:00 PM »
Has anyone seen "The End of Suburbia"? What did you think?

Found this site today. Folks are starting to connect and meet up to discuss the issue.

http://oilawareness.meetup.com/

And hear this incredible interview on what inspired the movie "The End of Suburbia"

http://www.postcarbon.org/eos/main.html[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2004-09-29 19:00 ]
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« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2004, 02:26:00 PM »
From GreenPeace
 
Kudos, Russia
Back in 1997, the nations of the world came together to negotiate an agreement known as the Kyoto Protocol in an effort to combat global warming. The pact is designed to limit the emission of greenhouse gases - the pollution that causes global warming. Last week, the Russian parliament agreed to sign the protocol, and with Russia's endorsement, it will soon come into effect.

The agreement called for the support of 55 countries accounting for 55 percent of the greenhouse gas emissions from developed countries. Over 120 nations have signed on to the agreement, but they only account for 44 percent of emissions. In order to overcome the 55 percent hurdle, the agreement needed either the support of the United States or Russia.

While President Bush campaigned for president in 2000, he pledged his support for the treaty. However, once elected, he quickly reneged on his promise to the American people - but kept his promise to campaign contributors like ExxonMobil - and refused to endorse it. The United States accounts for a whopping 25 percent of global warming pollution, despite making up only four percent of the world's population. Russia's support has not swayed the United States (i.e. President Bush) to sign on.

The Kyoto Protocol is not the solution to global warming, but rather a crucial step toward that goal. Greenpeace has been working diligently on this issue since its inception. We've pushed for tougher restrictions. We've pressured countries to sign on. And we're calling for countries to go above and beyond what's called for in the treaty to truly make a difference in the global warming crisis.

Read more.
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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2004, 08:07:00 PM »
Yes, Global Warming, as it is being promoted, is a complete joke, the whole idea that puny little man, can have any effect on Earth's biosphere is so patently absurd.


Been to Alaska lately?  Seen the spruce trees?  They're all dying.  Why?  


, most "science" is just a scam to keep us enslaved in our brains, a crude, half-assed attempt to keep us from thinking our own thoughts, going from point A, to point B, and all the way to Z.

uhhh...I thought that was religion's job...

Exactly what are you educated in?  Dumbass 101?
You friggin idiot,  In this case, I have to say that I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person, try again.  Though I think it was a neat little ploy to try and take the debate in Tacitus's Realm off of the poplitics, and into something you knew was a hook for all the people who give a shit about the future.

Do you think the "End of Days" is coming too, like Bush?  Is it Apocalypse time?
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« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2004, 12:08:00 AM »
Anthony,
One doesn't have to depend on scientific opinion to know that the environment is not in a healthy state.

Get in your car and drive due West. What do you notice? Not many trees, especially hard woods that produce the oxygen you need to breath and reamin alive.

It was all clear cut by the cattle ranchers. Notice all that cedar (most consider it scurge). It's there for a reason. Nature sent it to help heal the devistation. Visit Bamburger Ranch to see a demonstration of how cedar can be beneficial.

Notice the oak wilt on the oak trees? Know why it's there, killing those stately old oaks? Not enough water. The trees are stressed, their needs are unmet, which make them susceptible to disease.

Notice all the dry creek beds? It doesn't take a scientist to know that they used to have water in them. Now they are run off ditches for flooding- carrying more of the precious little topsoil that's left with them. The ground is too barren and parched to allow the rain to soak in. Instead of staying where it falls, the majority ends up in the gulf. The smaller springs are dry.

What you are observing is the early (maybe mid) stages of desertification. Humans need to learn how to work with nature rather than against it. Humans can't continue to take, raping the very mother who gives them life, and expect to survive. That should be common sense.

Humans don't effect the biosphere? Hmmm. It's been said, that before the industrial revolution, a squirrel could jump tree to tree across this nation. While that might be an exaggeration, the fact remains that life is dependent on trees. Trees provide oxygen. Trees provide food. Trees cool and clean the air (if I had it my way, trees would line all concrete roads to cut down on solar gain). Parks would be full of edibles. Trees seed the clouds which creates rain. Less trees, less rain. Less rain, more draught. More draught, more desertification. More desertification, less to eat. It's easy to predict without the benefit of science.

It may not be of interest to you, but here's a fine video called "Re-greening the Desert". It is possible to turn the damage around caused by human greed and ignorance, but first humans have to recognize the need to act. I realize and have accepted that some (most?) will not.
http://www.permaculture.org.au/

There are several permaculture designed properties between Blano and Dripping Springs. A picture (or tour) is worth a thousand words.

I remain hopeful, knowing full well that humans may cause their own extinction. I'm not awaiting the rapture, but those who are do not support envioronmental laws. Ecocide is good news for them. Means they'll be going home soon. I say praise the lord. Rapture the bastards, and quick.
http://www.alternet.org/story/15814
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« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2004, 04:05:00 PM »
That was my response to thepatriot that you thought was me arguing with you.  I was rebutting him.  Really, you gotta quit putting such long posts on the list...I'm ADHD here, overkill, seriously. Put links, not the entire text.
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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2004, 12:23:00 AM »
My bad. I'd forgotten he said that way back on page one. Thought you were responding to me- even though it didn't make sense.
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« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2004, 01:03:00 PM »


Science & Space
Global warming 'threat to Arctic'
Monday, November 8, 2004 Posted: 6:40 AM EST (1140 GMT)Polar Bear.
The report says polar bears are unlikely to survive.
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« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2004, 11:50:00 PM »
Those who have looked at alternative energy sources, go here:

http://www.globalpublicmedia.com/INTERV ... /index.php

And listen to #2
2. What about all the substitutes for oil - solar, hydrogen, nuclear etc, and how will suburbia fare in a low-energy world?  [5:11] mp3 | transcript

Whadda ya think?
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« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2004, 03:32:00 PM »
Irony or natural consequence?
http://www.statesman.com/business/conte ... 410a0.html

CHICAGO -- McDonald's Corp. CEO Charlie Bell, who was diagnosed with colorectal cancer in May, resigned Monday to focus on his battle with the disease, the company announced.
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« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2004, 06:03:00 PM »
Leonardo DiCaprio Foundation/ Tree Media

Watch a clip on global warming at:
http://www.leonardodicaprio.org/whatsim ... arning.htm

"We must demand a Separation of Oil and State" ~~Leonardo DiCaprio
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« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2004, 06:57:00 PM »
DiCaprio's site links to Woody Harrelson's site.
Poetry by Harrelson- 'Thoughts From Within':
http://www.voiceyourself.com/03_thought ... 3_main.php

Discussion Forums:
http://www.voiceyourself.com/07_getupst ... illage.php
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« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2004, 04:00:00 PM »
This may not impress some, but its a fine example of what we COULD be doing to decrease our dependence on oil. Take this one example and multiply it by several million!!

Check out this 'Green' lodging establishment in Austin, Tx http://www.habitatsuites.com/ourstory.htm
In addition to other green technologies, they are installing 108 solar panels and the rep had this to say:

We will generate about 25 kW of energy from our 108 panels.  It won't take us off the grid, but will have these effects: 38,000 tons of CO2 will not be emitted; it is equivalent of planting 5.2 acres of trees, or taking 4.3 cars off the road completely.  It's a start!  And we hope it will be an effective demonstration of how solar energy works and what a good alternative energy source it is.  Please feel free to contact me again, if you'd like to visit more about the specifics of how we made our vendor choices, the rebates offered, etc.
 
Habitat Suites is happy to be a resource for our green-minded community!
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5.2 acres of trees!! That is significant, as trees generate oxygen and seed clouds to produce rain. And equivalent to taking 4.3 cars off the road COMPLETELY !! Who could possibly argue against such sustainable rationale???
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