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I found this poem that I write while I was at CEDU please re

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antithesis:
Our mistake. We thought she said she had two sons.

Read her posts here:

http://fornits.com/wwf/search.php

You are her daughter, and probably do not have objectivity. You may be she, however, writing differently. I wonder, as her posts are so vigorous in their devense of CEDU and she's so worked up. She does not IN ANY WAY read like a psychotherapist. She does look like a fanatic. Sorry, but she does.

Her vigorous defense of CEDU is based on her experience, only. She blows off the rest of us and our experiences. She is very condescending and insulting, really. She has been making legal threats? What is up with that? Why would she do such a thing?

If you truly are her daughter, don't waste your time here trying to defend her or change our impression of her. She has made a terrible impression. Despite what she says, despite her arrogant claims to be educated in psychology, she writes as a person with borderline personality disorder would. Intense arguments, deep involvement in defending herself. If she were mentally and emotionally healthy, we would not see these things.

If she sees this post, she will post some angry response about how inappropriate and unethical I'm being or some other such rubbish. This is absolutely false, and I'm sick and tired of her accusations. There is nothing unethical, illegal, nor wrong in any way to say that someone looks like some particular diagnosis in their writing.

If you stay in these posts, people will attack you because many of us do not believe Ottawa5. She has lost all credibility.

If you have the backbone to, ask her to print out ALL of her posts (she has said she printed ours out when she was making legal threats last week or so) and show them to her faculty members at school. Believe me, if she goes to a decent school, they WILL be alarmed. There is clearly something wrong with her - she spends hours and hours writing long diatribes against us and making threats. She's supposed to be busy? When I was writing my thesis - and later, my doctoral thesis - I sure didn't have time for such as this!

If she's going to some private school, and it's not an ivy league institution, they might not have the salt to tell her. However, at a major state university or at Yale, I can tell you, they would have her up in the dean's office talking to her about her mental health.

This post may hurt you, and that's why I suggest you just leave these alone. Your mom has stomped around, written long, long posts, and offended everyone here. She does not care... and she certainly alarms me as a potential therapist! Why is she here? What is she trying to accomplish? The only thing that seemed to stop her pages and pages of posts was the bet we had going speculating how many zillion more words she would write to defend herself.

She looks far too defensive to be considered mentally healthy. You'll realize this by the time you're 30 - unless, of course, you are she...

Son Of Serbia:
Well I'm not 30 yet, and I sure as hell realized
that Ottawa 5 is fucking nuts!

Antigen:
Back to the poem.


--- Quote ---
In this place of sorrows and fears my soul stands by quivering near. My heart beating so slow as if it were on ice. "The cup is half full" mantra will not sufice. Good can conquer evil you may say. But battling evil sacrafices many good to my dismay, the souls of good children were taken. May they not be forsaken.


by, ELT

--- End quote ---


It's a beautiful poem. I know just what you're talking about when you say "my soul stands by quivering near".  

I think the visual image you describe might be roughly the same as one I used to try and keep my grip. It was a mental image of a little brass box, sort of like a small treasure chest, that I kept in a dark back corner of my mind. It was where I kept hidden my real thoughts and feelings while I went about playing the role I had to play to avoid consequences and, eventually, get out.

Other people have described it as a room.

"the souls of good children were taken. May they not be forsaken."

I don't see anything ambivalent about it. And I must have missed the "implication of the admitted imperfection of any possible solution for parents." Am I dense? Was that poem about the poor, put-upon parents?

Did you worry that someone might find that poem? I would have been (I wasn't in CEDU, I was in Straight, Inc.) I think, if I took the risk of writing down anything as real as that at all, I would have probably prepared a cover story about how it was all about my past (pre-program).
He who laughs lasts
--Crazy Mac
--- End quote ---

ottawa5:
I would like to apologize to the writer of the poem below. In my last post I did not even mention it. I really like that poem and I hope that you post more in the futur. I would love to read more of your work!
See ya all later :wave:

ottawa5:
Sorry this is ottawa2 I posted under my moms name by acsident

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