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ottawa5:
The convenient thing about these open-ended predictions that I see at this site sometimes is that a person never has to face the fact that of being wrong.
Why 5 years? If my son is doing great then, would you say, "Well O.K., I have to admit that CEDU works sometimes". But, no, I imagine that you would probably say "Wait until 7 years" or "He's still brain-washed" or "He's being controlled amd you're a bitch controlling him" or "He's a bully so of course he believes in CEDU", and on and on and on.
Wouldn't it be more parsimonious, at least more intellectually honest, in the face of all the evidence, to just agree that CEDU at least sometimes leads to good outcomes? Wouldn't it make more sense than shifting about looking to explain away anything that disputes this almost faith-based belief that CEDU can do no good.
I mean, I am willing to say that CEDU has not done good for a considerable number of people, and to search for reasons why.
Why is it so hard for you to admit that sometimes that CEDU training, education, indoctrination, whatever you would call it, had led to better functioning, relationships, self-image, etc, in at least some people?
Anonymous:
Forget it...you'll never get it, never see it. It's really sad. Peace to your son....he's going to need it.
Son Of Serbia:
Are you Kidding? Do you really need her to answer? If Ottawa caught her son smoking pot, she would cut off his funds, make her son move back home,ground him to his room, make him attend AA meetings everyday, see a therapist 3 days a week, go to church every sunday,and forbid him from speaking to his friends or girls. As an added bonus, Ottawa will be constantly in her son's face bossing him around and reminding him that he is a drug addicted, stupid, selfish, perverted, evil,dirty, and aweful person, and that only she can save him. And if Ottawa's son makes one peep in protest against his maltreatment, Ottawa will no doubt back up her threats to call the police and say that her son beat her. Then he get's arrested & sent to county jail, where he will be anally raped as punishment for his insolence! (Ottawa will also consistantly remind her son of these "consequences" as well)
But it's all just part of the strict dicipline and "confrontational communication" that Ottawa learned from cedu, and loves so much.
Isn't that right Ottawa5?
[ This Message was edited by: SON OF SERBIA on 2004-07-28 14:04 ]
ottawa5:
Parents have different responsibilities in their relationships with minor children, even adolescents, than in their relationships with adult children. At least in my world. And I think in the world at large, I mean that's why children can't move out of their parents' home on simple preference, sign contracts etc.
Oh, I know some people think that 8 year olds should be able to vote, that sort of thing, but I have no common ground with such thinking, it is even hard for me to imagine that people with such beliefs have ever spoken to a child.
So the question is: what if my son was smoking pot, the assumption is once in a while, I think, with no interference to speak of, with his functioning in all important ways. Would I cut off his funding for college, withdraw from him emotionally?
Well, if it is a legal substance then there is no question--he is an adult and can make his own recreational decisions. Not so much because I have a great respect for the law, or for pot, but because then there is not even a worry of future drug testing, arrests, etc to interfere with the proposition you put forward in terms of the question of possible harm.
I believe, however, that you are speaking about the current situation where the drug in question is illegal, but if you only have a small amount, it is of minimal concern in most juristictions.
Here also, an amount of use that does not a realisitc personal harm risk, I would not worry about it much, unless my child had some kind of addictive behavior history, something that we have not experienced. If he wanted to discuss it with me I would certainly give him my opinion that there are better ways to enjoy oneself.
And I would certainly not exercise what is clearly my own right not to spend money to send him to school over such a thing.
Now here is a more interesting question. What if he had a history of, say, heroin addiction behavior, and he chose to start using again while I was financing his college? He was getting himself into all kinds of trouble, failing his courses, which I was paying for, police stops, being belligerent and unkind to me.
My question to you: should I continue to pay for his college under those circumstances? I mean, there is no question that I would continue to love him, and tell him so, and since he was an adult, I surely could not control his behavior, and I would not be inclined to turn him over to the police, unless he was a clear danger to himself or someone else.
So what do you think I should do in that scenario, as far as financing his life style?
[ This Message was edited by: ottawa5 on 2004-07-28 14:15 ]
ottawa5:
Cypress--I appreciate your post from way, way late yesterday, I want to answer you as specifically as possible, and do it well.
Right now, I shouldn't even be here, I am under the gun in my real life, so excuse the delay, I don't want to insult your sincere question with an off-the-cuff comment of some sort.
I'll get to it, either tonight or tommorrow night. I realize it's no big deal to you, but it's an interesting question to me, and I'd like to address it.
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