Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones
My intentions
Cypress:
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On 2004-07-27 21:12:00, Cypress wrote:
I believe that the Cedu technique is inherently abusive. You on the other hand disagree with this belief.
History has proven man's viewpoints on what constitues abuse wrong on many an occassion. There was a time when slavery was not considered abuse. There was a time when children as young six in the workforce was not considered abuse. There was a time when cruel psychiatric treatments were not considered abuse. There was a time when domestic violence was not considered abuse. I firmly believe that eventually, submitting children to extreme psychological torment (aka Raps) will be considered abuse. I believe that depriving a child of their due process will be considered abuse. I believe that submitting children to endless hours of isolation will be considered abuse. I believe that restricting a child's access to education will be considered abuse.
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Ottawa,
I have laid out my position on the faults I find with the Cedu method. (See above). You want to know what works in the Cedu method. First answer me this. What is it about Cedu that you like. What exactly do you want to replicate? Please be as specific as posssible.
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Sorry, that was me, I forgot to log in.
Son Of Serbia:
Ottawa 5,
I'm assuming that your son is already in his 20's. You just said that your son had to set up a web page with photos, web cameras, maps, and daily reports, which he had to update every day, just so mommy would let him attend college abroad! MY GOD, YOU ARE A TOTAL CONTROL FREAK!!! I mean here the poor kid has an opportunity of a lifetime, and he can't even enjoy it because you have monitor his every movement!!!
Ottawa, I don't believe for a second that setting up a 24 hour surveilance on himself was your sons idea, especially since somebody had to be paying the bills for him to live and attend school overseas, (you of course). Knowing how much you worship cedu, I bet you even made him sign an agreement before signing the tuition check. Ottawa, you have your son so whipped that HE CAN'T EVEN GET LAID IN HIS OWN ROOM WITHOUT YOU WATCHING HIM!!! :lol:
Ottawa, you love cedu so much because they whipped your son into your own personal obedient little puppie, thus insuring your own place as the dominant influence on his life. I have no doubt that Ottawa5 will one day pick her son's wife for him, someone ottawa feels is worthy to hold his leash once she's gone. Ottawa, your son is NOT someone who never backs down or who always stands up For himself, HE CAN'T EVEN STAND UP TO YOU!!! Ottawa you are nothing more than a TOTALITARIAN CONTROL FREAK, it's so obvious now. Ottawa, this is not the site for you, but please stay, it's funny watching the bitch come out more and more as you realize that NO ONE HERE AGREES WITH YOU!
As for Ottawa's Son, it's no wonder why
"Mr. Self-Surveilance" cedu sheep doesn't post on this forum, WE WOULD TEAR HIM APART!!! you don't believe me Ottawa, then prove me wrong. BRING YOUR SPINELESS,PUSSY WHIPPED, CEDU SHEEP SON ONTO THIS SITE!!!
ottawa5:
Real quick, I'm just checking in when I should be working, but you have it completely wrong--or maybe it was the way I expressed myself--I haven't got time to look.
Here is what I was trying to say-- there was no surveillance device or any kind of monitoring real-time, involved, it was just a situation where my son would be really far away, for a long time, for the first time since RMA, and he sensed, I think, that I was, as many mothers in that position would be, nervous about the whole thing.
So he, without me even asking, set up this thing (I am not very computer savvy so I may be calling it the wrong thing) but I think it was a web page--anyway it was a place where he would frequently post pictures of things he was doing and places he was going, so I could sign on and share, in this limited way, what he was experiencing.
Now of course he could have done anything he wanted in the rest of his life there and I never would have known. And he probably did things I don't know about and that's perfectly fine and age-appropriate, and developmentally I really wouldn't want to know every move he makes as a young adult.
It's the fact that he would care enough to include me in the experience like that, at an appropriate level, the fact that he would consider that it would be comfort to me--these are the things that mark a truly geneuine relationship, and that's what I was trying to say to Cypress.
It was that two important things in this equation came out of our RMAS experiences: one was the strength in me to know, as you allude to, that he was growing to be a adult person, who had the right to make his own decisions, and in him, the kindness and insight to consider that it is hard for a parent to really feel OK with this, especially when there have been problems a couple of years back.
It's about love and connection without control, that's where we are, and what I ascribe to things that we learned at RMA.
Disagree with my belief that RMA skills are at the source of our good relationship, if you like (although I will point out that we were there and at least theoreticially in a better position than you to know this), but please be nice enough not to distort what I am saying--like I say,though, I don't know if you were purposefully distorting or if I wrote something confusing late last night.
I've got to go--be fair in my absence, now.
Anonymous:
It's going to be really interesting to see how this kid feels in oh, say 5 years or so. Ottawa, you have no idea how many of us came out of those places as good, straight, obedient "adults". Our parents were THRILLED with the results. Then, the PTSD started to rear it's ugly head. Completely different story from then on. I pray that your son will someday be able to forgive you. I havene't forgiven my father.
Antigen:
Ottowa, what would happen if, for example, your son started smoking pot or engaging in some other activity that you're sure would lead him straight to Hell? Would he still have college funding? An unconditional, cheerful welcome at home? Or would you take the TOUGHLOVE hategroup line and start withholding support and affection in order to coerce the behavior you want?
The spirit of this country is totally adverse to a large military force.
--Thomas Jefferson
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