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This is absolutely unbelievable
« on: July 11, 2004, 03:07:00 PM »
From the description here this kid is doing nothing but faking report cards and sneaking out and they send him to that hellhole???

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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2004, 03:25:00 PM »
it's long. have you ever heard of Mike Parr or Richard Armstrong. They've "worked with" me. In England I would say they each gave me a working over though. This is big business. There are a lot of shocking stories. I am so glad that I am starting to shake this stuff up inside of me. Mike Parr told me once while I was a student that he hated the place but he was still leaving a kid there at the time.
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Life is a very wonderful thing.\' said Dr. Branom... \'The processes of life, the make- up of the human organism, who can fully understand these miracles?... What is happening to you now is what should happen to any normal healthy human organism...You are being made sane, you are being made healthy.
     \'That I will not have, \' I said, \'nor can understand at all. What you\'ve been doing is to make me feel very very ill.\'
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                      A Clockwork Orange

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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2004, 03:50:00 PM »
Yeah, I gotta admit that I had it coming compared to this guy. I was running in gangs and causing all kinds of problems. This guy was doing almost nothing.
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2004, 07:23:00 AM »
i had low self esteem and didn't get along with my parents; CEDU was their way of "preventing me from committing suicide"... so, once i came out of CEDU alive, they believed it to be successful (i hate the ways that they fucked with the parents' heads.) psssht, whatever, i would never have killed myself.[ This Message was edited by: mikehunt on 2004-07-12 04:26 ]
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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2004, 07:43:00 AM »
Not sure I agree there with you. I too had low self esteem made much lower there. I too had suicidal tendencies that; really, due to the complicated issue of such a thing, have increased. About five years ago I told my parents that if I ever did really do it they should be looking to RMA for a reason why. It was a hard couple of weeks though, but we pulled through together. It is really too deep for them to understand, but, yes: i was depressed to begin with. I think I may have pulled myself up on my own. Bonners Ferry made me utterly reliant on the acceptance of others. My esteem issue is undoubtedly worse than it would have been without RMA. I can only assume the same goes for my depression. I don't feel like this when I think/write about ANY other subject. So...
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Life is a very wonderful thing.\' said Dr. Branom... \'The processes of life, the make- up of the human organism, who can fully understand these miracles?... What is happening to you now is what should happen to any normal healthy human organism...You are being made sane, you are being made healthy.
     \'That I will not have, \' I said, \'nor can understand at all. What you\'ve been doing is to make me feel very very ill.\'
                         -Anthony Burgess
                      A Clockwork Orange

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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2004, 08:14:00 AM »
you don't agree with whom?

anyway, of course you pulled yourself out... nobody else can pull anybody else out of anything; it is always one's own choice to make internal changes.  you're the only one who has ultimate control over your body and its functions (cognition, etc.)
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"Not sure I agree there with you. I too had low self esteem made much lower there. I too had suicidal tendencies that; really, due to the complicated issue of such a thing, have increased. About five years ago I told my parents that if I ever did really do it they should be looking to RMA for a reason why. It was a hard couple of weeks though, but we pulled through together. It is really too deep for them to understand, but, yes: i was depressed to begin with. I think I may have pulled myself up on my own. Bonners Ferry made me utterly reliant on the acceptance of others. My esteem issue is undoubtedly worse than it would have been without RMA. I can only assume the same goes for my depression. I don't feel like this when I think/write about ANY other subject. So..."
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2004, 10:00:00 AM »
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it is always one's own choice to make internal changes.  you're the only one who has ultimate control over your body and its functions (cognition, etc.)
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This is one of the things they were always saying that was a real piece of work. "You can cure yourself from cancer by feeling your feelings"
You are not the only thing that has control over your body and its functions. Go back to school and study some science and you'll find out it's not that simple. I don't know what CEDU is telling people right now but when I was there they had some real b.s.
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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2004, 10:21:00 AM »
um, ok... i'm into holistics.  i believe that you can cure yourself.  this is definitely not something that i ever learned at cedu...  so, you think that other people control your reactions?  you won't hold yourself accountable when you punch someone in the face because they pissed you off?  that sucks.. you must feel like such a victim when "bad" things happen in your life.
why don't you tell me a bit about your spiritual beliefs?
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2004, 10:25:00 AM »
by the way, you have to feel your feelings to cure them.  and by feelings, i don't only mean emotions.  it's about self awareness.  if you would've felt your body running down years ago, perhaps you could've prevented it from becoming terminally ill, for example.
once you are ill, you can keep yourself alive... they said that my grandmother was going to die very soon due to her condition.  they never told her this, and so she lived on long past her death sentence because she wasn't ready to go yet.

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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2004, 10:35:00 AM »
I'm surprised you didn't hear that "heal yourself" stuff from them. Maybe they actually gave up on it. I was there quite a while ago an the term holistics was not even coined in society. They preached this regularly. My philosophy is found in the curriculum of a Biophysics Phd. You definitely contribute to your state of health, I'm not saying that you are not involved at all but there are external biochemical organisms that can and do affect you.

Spiritually, I finally got sober through AA. Going into that I was agnostic (which CEDU more or less advocated when I was there), but in AA I found a God which is some power greater than myself (I don't use any God from religion). I don't get into anything more than that.
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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2004, 10:42:00 AM »
i was a theist turned agnostic at cedu.  this was because i was so depressed and let down by my environment.  i found "god" again after awhile.  to me, god is the energy of the universe, and we (our spirits, what i believe to be the manipulators of our temperal existences) are all parcels of this energy.  i believe that we can unify with this greater energy, since we have a piece of it within us.

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« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2004, 10:53:00 AM »
That's probably about the way I think too.
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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2004, 11:01:00 AM »
then you'd probably believe that you could conjure the energy of the universe to heal your body
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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2004, 11:08:00 AM »
I'd say that it was logically possible, however the likelihood may be slim. We as humans love to think that we are so great but now that there are 6 billion of us, how significant is the individual? Sure, we may have money and tv cameras, etc. to convince ourselves we are so important but isn't it all just a facade? This is one thing I found truly appalling about CEDU, many staff thought they were Gods or something and it's very funny to read of all their antics here.
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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2004, 11:15:00 AM »
it depends on how spiritually attuned you are, i think... yeh, there are so many people in the werld, but how many of them are actually spiritual?  
also, if spirits join forces, they are much stronger.  so, if you've got even 2 spirits werking together to heal your body, i think you can get results.  imagine if there were 100 werking together.. or 10,000.  wow.
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