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surfdal:
ill be damned..a board for former indoctrinees.. im totally freeked
..was forced by court into seed at age 17....spent about 1 yr there,,started over several times befor i finally escaped(which meant leaving my family... alienating them forced to abandon my 2 younger brothers..paranoid and frightened  i witnessed many days of bizarre mind control and force automaton thought at the hands of art barker and his cronies..at age 48 i can still call up the that horror in a seconds less-than-nostagalgic flash recall of those clockwork orange type experiences..the worsty of which  involved a gentle soul named jim, a young man  who was brought into the seed from jail by the order of the court at the same time i was..and whom eventually rode with me to the incessent daily harrassment..now jim was a very shy reserved and probably emotionally disturbed young man with some obvious problems that i guess art barker and crew thought they could effect by their sledgehammer technique.and i warned them to lay off jim ..it was making him worse..i was withdrawing further into himself..he wasnt capable of withstanding shotgun harrassment from a large group of people..and it ended for him the day i stopped by to pick him up and we were informed that jim wouldnt be coming to the seed that dayby his mother..she said "jimmy went around the side of his house and shot himself today".. we were stunned and inquired if he would be ok ..to which his mother replied in tears "yes he'll be ok..he died"...so this is kinda a requiem to my friend jim....just one of the most drastic of results i personally saw or experienced at the hands of those..." DOPE THAT STARTS WITH D ,THAT RHYTHMS WITH P..THAT STANDS FOR POOL" MUSIC MAN WANNA BE.. HUSTLERS..IT ANGERS ME TO THIS DAY THE WAY THEY USED FEAR TO MANIPULATE MY PARENTS TO GAIN FINANCIALA ND SOCIAL POWER funny part was ...art barker couldnt even quit smoking cigerettes himself..tried for mths..and what a lil asshole he was too ..ill never forget that place..etched into  my nightmares  thanks for the chance to vent yall..peace and light..end the drug war!!

GregFL:
So nice to hear from you, and what a tragic story.

My Name is greg and I did everything from pot to....

Remember those fucking public confessionals at open meeting? Kids are still being forced to do them to this day, and Art Barker just retired several months ago. Believe it or not. For more info, read the topic directly preceeding this one.



Welcome to our nightmare, this stuff never stopped, and you have stumbled upon a group of committed (or commitable depending on how you view it) people whom took the time to figure out what those nuts were really about and what they really did to us. In the process we discovered they are still at it in renamed "rehabs" .



Where were you indoctrinated, Lauderdale? St Pete? and what is your name? Might I know you? I think I remember a Jim in St Pete about 17 that was court ordered and stopped coming, but we are talking a long time ago and some points of my memory are fading.

If you know other ex seed people, tell them about this forum and encourage them to post, and we all look forward to your participation in this forum. If you wish to privately email me, my address is rocky93@tampabay.rr.com





welcome to this forum

[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2002-07-13 16:56 ]

Antigen:

--- Quote ---On 2002-07-13 15:22:00, surfdal wrote:
DOPE THAT STARTS WITH D ,THAT RHYTHMS WITH P..THAT STANDS FOR POOL" MUSIC MAN WANNA BE.. HUSTLERS.
--- End quote ---

Dead to nuts, buddy. Were you in Ft. Lauderdale? When? Rember any McNultys? I had 3 brothers and a sister in that gulag before I did two years at Straight, Inc.

blue morphine:
hey ,
 i am also a seed survivor from about the same time you probably were too. christ, i shudder at the thought of the seed still going? is it? i also am from south fl and was actually at ft. laud. in the late 60`s. was also "sentenced" to the seed from court. i also "escaped" several times actually.. i was also back in the seed a few yrs later at the opa locka airport.. seems that they moved around alot .. man. i shudder at the thought of the abuses that went on there. i am 51 yrs old. i also had a brother who went there too as a little 13 yr old..
   talk to you later..
  blue morphine

GregFL:
Welcome Blue Morphine. I think your age makes you the resident Old person on this board. I am 43 and was in St Pete in 73-74 at the age of 14. Welcome to our forum.
BTW, the Seed closed down in November. They had stopped treating people under 18. Get this, Libby and Shelly we still there 6 months ago!. Libby was adopted by Art. The place was so weird.
Anyway, The Seed closed in St Pete and The Straight was formed by the seed parents with seed graduates and seed employees. It then became the biggest juvenile chain of drug treatment centers in the USA, perhaps the world. Offshoot programs of the straight exist to this day.
We look forward to your participation  and your insight. One question I have for you: Art claimed he had 13 years experience working in Juvenile drug rehab. He used to say the name of the place, but I can't remember. It is important for our research that we find this out. blue Morphine? anyone know the answer?

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