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blue morphine:
i stand corrected.. and i apologise for saying that i was on the seed in the late 60`s.. i thought it was 69 but little brother who is also a seed survivor informed me that it was 1970. things were alittle hazy  for me in that time. i was sent there on 3 different occasions.  which was court ordered. which every single time i "escaped"..lol. the last time was in 73 or 74 and that was at the tropical park race track in miami. that time i was considered a "rabbit". so i was sent at night to a special seedling house where a bunch of oldtimers were living and renting a house. i was watched very closely for 3 months. i was even made to sleep in a room where there were 3 oldtimers sleeping in front of the bedroom door and the windows were boarded up so`s i could not even think about getting away from there... finally after 3 months of nightly bull-shit and interrogation type techniques my oldtimer said" let him go to the bathroom on his own". "he`s been here long enough" " he won`t run"... well, thats all i needed was a slight little break from them constantly "watching me" shit, shower, and shave.. poooof.. i was gone out the window of the kitchen which btw was the only 1 in the house that wasnt boarded up.. i will never forget that day.. i ran about 10 blocks non-stop until i couldnt see anyone running after me and  climbed a tree...lol.. i must of sat in that tree for 2 or 3 hrs it seemed at the time all the while watching these old timers driving around looking for me.. i eventally chose jail rather than "the seed".. yes, they tried a 4th time but i was old enough now to tell them give me prison...lol.
 that itself is another story...
   btw, i am getting my brother to come here and post also. he should be popping up in a day or 2..
 i just cant believe that that damn place existed for so long.. i lost close friends as im sure every 1 here did due to this bull shit thinking or brainwashing techniques.
  i was rehashing with my brother about those times yesterday and the names we remembered were of course "libby", david underwood, arthur, there were a few more but i will let my brother tell his story.. i never completed the seed like you guys did.. my brother did complete it.. i dont see how you guys did it but i guess at 12 and 13 yrs old you are so damn scared..
  until later my friend..

  blue morphine

GregFL:
Tell you what, If they had tried that on me when I was 18 or 19, I woulda killed someone. You older non compliant types were always my secret heroes. In St Pete, once in a while an older guy would stand up and say "Im ready to go back to jail" and inside I would cheer. It was my worst nightmare, and I could see no way out except thru the front door. So I compromised myself, joined the insanity party and then proceeded to hate myself for years.

Well, the date thing is understandable. My sister had lost a whole year, couldn't place dates or times.
The Seed Ft Lauderdale opened in 1970, so that would make you one of the first. So glad to have you around here.
Do you remember Art bragging about his past experiences in juvenile Drug rehab treatment? I do, but 29 is a lot of years and I cant remember where. it is important because we are trying to link him to the synanon or a offshoot synanon program. Some of the seed techniques are familiar.
Did you know that the Gov't was funding the early seed?  Robert Dupont, head of NIDA (nat inst of drug abuse) granted Artie & Co. a million dollars, which was a huge amount of money back then. I remember the suits running around St Pete. What were they up to? hmm...
Also, the Army did a study at Synanon in the 60s. The govt was dirty in all this, to be sure.
Anyway, ask you brother, tell him we are looking forward to his participation as well.
Cya
Greg

MommaDebi:

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On 2002-07-19 07:14:00, GregFL wrote:
  You older non compliant types were always my secret heroes. In St Pete, once in a while an older guy would stand up and say "Im ready to go back to jail" and inside I would cheer.


Me too. I was too young, had just moved from Tampa to St Pete a few months (maybe 6)before, had just turned 14 I think, and did not really know my way around or any place that would help me.


I learned the game...and hated every minute about it
.


A few years ago, my husband's son got into trouble with the law and they ordered him to the ARC in Bradenton....talk about some memories coming up for me! LOL!

 I had gone to him a few months prior to his trouble, told him that he needed to learn to play the game at home or else he would find himself "Baker Acted" and placed somewhere he had no desire to be. But unfortunately he thought he knew best....He's now 22 and much better at "playing the game"....I guess we all have to live and learn.

debi
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Anonymous:
i gotta respond to this...strange you should have mentioned  mcnulty..heres a tale.. my name is dal hunkins..i was a studant a nova high school in davie and am from s.w ft lauderdale..my yself and my 2 younger brothers were forced into the seed by our parents and also by the court for me.. my dad was an asst states atty and art barker wanted him on the team badly..some so called friend dropped a dime on me and my lil bros ..doug and dave..because he was interogated by the seed ..as was customary on his voluntary entrance..(was freeked from acid he was)  i was to old to be involuntarily committed ,unlike my youngers, so i was arrested on totally ficticious charges by the ft lauderdale police  as instructed by my stepdad ,asst states atty..and the city judge..who also served on the seeds board of directors..any way the cops brought me to the seed in cuffs..after many mths of painfully practiced dramatics i managed to finally to convince them that i too was a good lil seedling an managed to con them in to letting me go home..only to get busted smoking weed and then... oooopps.. started over after hrs of degrading torture and humiliation..(fuck them by the way :smile: )..so more mths of newcomer torture and such till i finally managed to convince them that i indeed was recalitrant in my ways ...lol..except for my secret life w/ my old friends and habits and haunts late in the night..i used to come in the seed very trashed ..the never indicated they knew..till one day a girlfriend of one of my old time buddies that was also a court ordered guinea pig..joined because she couldnt live life w/o him..and she knew of my escapades and having seen way to many people just thro other people right under the bus in that joint i decided it was time for me to go..charges had been dropped ..time to split..
 so..i packed up a change of clothes , a carton of cigs and 3$ and left home, my family, and the chamber of perpetual boredom and struck out into the world..
  man was i paranoid ..seeing finger pointing seedlings at every turn ..all waiting to turn me in to drag me back and to take my freedom from me.. i stayed around ft lauderdale for a week then hitchhiked to tallahassee where i had close friends that welcomed me and gave me shelter and a handup on starting to create a life.. and when monday morning came around..i arose at dawn and headed for the fla state employment office in search of a desperatly needed job.. being the early bird there was only 1..one. person waiting in line ahead of me at the tallahasse job office ..his back was turned as i walked up..and then he turned and it was fuggin jack mcnulty..a fellow seed escapee..omfuggingod i damn near died.. i was sooo paranoid i thought it was a trap of some sort..till jack said dal..man ..gotta joint?..lol totally freeky..
  but ya know ..ive never run into anyone that i knew from the seed that didnt want to smoke weed with me  :em: funny how that worked..oh some of the names i remember from those days were charli a cocky lil junkie sometimes staff member sometimes newcomer according to what kinda shit he got in..louie a hispanic staff member.. louie a italian staff member with some kind of heavy criminal history..sandy this blonde loud staff member another dude named jim who was funny and loud and fulla shit but would sing bringin in the sheeves loudly at those damned choral programs art barker insisted that  heuse to entertain the parents..guess they got tired of that my name is --- i did everything from pot to heroin(whatever the fuck that means)...all this took place  at the andrews ave seed..ft lauderdale.. oh god i so bad wanted to just beat livin hell outta art barker the fuckin arrogant lil weasel..i remember one time he had some dignitary there..some politician maybe edmond muskie..(by the way i recall some big political scandal involving muskie and some thing that happened at the seed or while he was visiting the seed or something ..anyone remember?)..and they asked if anyone thought that marijauna should be legalized..and i was the only one ballsy(nuts?) enough to raise my hand..and had to stand up and explain that i thought the incarceration for having cannabis was extremly harsh..and oh god did i catch holy hell when the politdog left..messed up arts lil show ..man was he pissed lol..damn was it worth it .. well enough for now..pray for peace yall

 oh by the way  please visit http://www.drcnet.org for weekly drugwarnewsletter . archives there have info on seed/staight etc may be interesting and is a good sorce of info on international and national drugwar issues

Anonymous:
oh by the way this was in '71-'72 i believe

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