Escuela Caribe ~ New Horizons

[Anonymous]

Hey John, hows it going? I think I might know you, are you from North Carolina currently living in Vancouver? I am a colleague in the tech industry... good to see you are doing well.

[Anonymous]

Yes, that's me.  :smile:

[Anonymous]

Dre, I know you, it is Jon Burchel, we were there together the whole time, and you know damn well you were never abused nor ever saw any.  You are so overblown, you just have to have a pet cause, nothing has changed since way back then.  Grow up girl!  Move on, the program wasn't fun, but it was good for us, and even for you, although you'd never admit it...

Sheesh!  Some people...

[Jewels]

Jon, I am a member to the group and know how you acted. I was nothing but friendly to you. You and I never argued. However, this attack to Dre is unfounded. Dre and I were never close, but we were in TKB together. I did witness the encounter she mentioned. She was new and I was on 2nd level I think. She also witnessed some of the things I went thru at the hands of the same housefather. I will never say all staff was bad. However, you didn't live in the house with her so you cannot say what she went thru with her housefather.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-05-10 19:45:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Move on, the program wasn't fun, but it was good for us, and even for you, although you'd never admit it..."

That is one of the dumber statements I've come across on these boards. Although, there are many.

[Anonymous]

jon, i am  to tell you that i am not hiding..my name is Thomas H. i was in both the dr, and the sister school in marion ind. I read your ranting and raving above and it seems that you are going to need some serious therapy to help you come to grips with what you actually experienced at that place, denial is the first step isnt it.. i dont know when you where there but as far as saying these  personal accounts are unfounded is pretty judgemental and shows your own "calcified opinion" in the fact that you atest that everyone is lying.. ! do honestly think that grown adults are going to have nothing better to do with their time than make
unfounded accusations about a place where children are possibly mistreated? i think you need to take a moment for a reality check.
i mean hmm when ther is smoke there might be a fire..its worth investigating, or does that thought petrify you, having to re-live the situations that occured down there and possibly admit that you were a victim, but in order to do that you would have to admit you were powerless at the time...which you obviously have issues with admitting. but anyway i am glad you posted the other website,  as a former student i look forward to meeting others there who did go through similar
experiences. anyway jon good luck, and i hope your life isnt as seathing with hatred as you post is.

[Jewels]

I am so tired of the nightmares. It seems that they are a never ending jumble or short movies. I continue to dream of having to run after the motorcycle up Pico. I don't dare be more than an arms length away. The "monster" driving is laughing. When I catch up he sprouts wings, it is impossible to stay close. I end up running speed drills at the peak. Then I am doing pushups while he keeps his foot on my back pushing me down. Tonite I woke up my body aching like I was really running etc. What I wouldn't do for a good nights sleep without my ex-housefather invading my dreams. Will this ever end?

[Anonymous]

:sad:

[Timoclea]

Yeah, the nightmares come less often as you deal with the problems and go on.

I had different reasons for my nightmares, but BTDT.

Keep dealing with the problems and the nightmares will eventually lighten up.

Hang in there.

Timoclea

Neither in my private life nor in my writings, have I ever made a secret of being an out-and-out unbeliever.
--Sigmund Freud, Austrian-born psychologist

[Antigen]

I think that's true, Tim. As I started to better understand the what fors and whys of the whole thing and get affirmation that I wasn't the only one in the room who thought the whole thing was entirely messed up, the dreams became less frequent.

On the down side, the Program is not a new and unique sort of human behavior. If you understand it, you'll see aspects of it in other of life's trials and travails. So then I started having Program type dreams mixed w/ elements of somewhat related current events.  :roll: Those ones are not recurring or haunting, though. One viewing is enough to illustrate the connection and I don't have the same dreams over and over.

I am married, not Buried !
-- Steve Webb

[Anonymous]

"I think you also misunderstand the type of students that we have here. These are not your typical well-adjusted (more or less) high school students. These students have already rejected a relationship with their parents and are involved in highly destructive activities"

This is pathetic.  I was in the program from 97 to summer of 98, both Canada and the DR.  I was a smart kid, who started varsity in 2 sports his freshman year.  I got sent to hell for a blunt roach.....  Where unqualified people make up "issues" so they can get your parents money for long as possible.

[Antigen]

On 2005-05-13 19:52:00, Anonymous wrote:

Where unqualified people make up "issues" so they can get your parents money for long as possible."

No, understnd this. That's not why they make up ussues. The lowlife ground level bots don't get the payoff. And they are the ones who make up your issues. They believe, because they have their own issues. What they get from the parents, somitimes in the form of cash money, is adulation. That's the blood life of these vampires.

How can we take that away?

Religion is a byproduct of fear. For much of human history, it may have been a necessary evil, but why was it more evil than necessary? Isn't killing people in the name of God a pretty good definition of insanity?
--Arthur C. Clarke, author

[Dre]

This is in response to whether or not abuse occured.  
 
Worst Abuse I witnessed:
2 girls molested in my house by a house father.
1 girl who pissed on herself because the same housefather thought she was being "manipulative" when she asked to use the bano (for nine hours straight).
Another girl physically forced into pushups up and down by a 300 pound man----leaving bruises on her sides the next day
Hours spent in push-up position myself, sometimes with fellow students for house punishment..once cuz a spatula was misplaced (horrors!)..muscles screaming for a break, but only a fool would give in...hurt to laugh for days.
As a highranker having to physically inspect lowrankers to make sure their privates were soaped...this edict came down because one of the girls apparently did not wash herself well (might have had something to do with 3 minute showers)...so all were punished. It was sexually humiliating on both sides. The hf who assigned this duty later became assistant director.
Students with obvious mental health issues who had their problems addressed as character flaws...and remained on low levels the entire time they were there...

these are only the worst scenarios.

I guess abuse is relative to the individual's "reality"...however when my parents sent me away for 3000/mo they assumed I would at least get adequate medical care...did not happen...I entered "the program" very ill and still had to go thru all the daily drills..My sickness was ignored. That alone was traumatizing, and that occurred before the above situations further traumatized me.

There are many instances of students not receiving adequate medical care documented on this site and the other.

[ This Message was edited by: Dre on 2005-05-16 19:00 ]

[Anonymous]

I was a student in 96, 97, and 98. I was sexually abused before I was sent to the Dominican Republic when I was still in Marion by a housefather that had just come up with a group of DR kids.It was the first summer they kept the Marion school open (96). Honestly, it was horrible to have something like that happen when you are told to trust those people. I told my 4th leveler and she didnt believe me. In fact, she 'told on me' in her nightly comments. His wife, the housemother, went crazy. Honestly, it was so horrible. No one believed me and I didnt know what to do. The program just became a worse hell than it previously was for me. Now here is where it gets interesting. The investigators said with my past, there was no way he would be convicted on just my word. So, Tim Blossom went to the jail and convinced Rob to admit what he had done to me, in spite of what that would do to the program's reputation. He knew I would have never been right or gotten help if everyone thought i had lied. Things were never the same at Marion after he confessed. I was treated weird by everyone so I went to the Dominican Republic. They also took the fact that I had been sexually abused by my housefather out of my file so no one in the DR knew it was me. I later found out Eric, my DR housefather did know. Anyway, I was reading all these accusations and wanted to put in my two cents. I would not be a college graduate (or even a high school graduate for that matter) with a lot going for me had I never been in the program. Dont get me wrong, I still have nightmares constantly about the program and dont think they will ever fully go away. But I do know that it got me out of a lot of trouble even if I dont agree with thier methods.

[Anonymous]

Another member who had a porn habit and was close to the original molester Kerwin begged forgiveness.  Phil let him stay on....when this 2nd staff member,RG, went to Marion, he got caught making out with a female student.  Because he was in the States, he was actually prosecuted.

I was just reading this after my initial posting just below and I almost wish I had read this before saying anything. He was NOT 'making out' with a female student. I know... I was her. Please check your facts before you say things as seeing that posted makes me very upset!