Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Positive Impact??
Anonymous:
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"Spots endorsing Positive Impact...funny...seems to be a connection between Spots, Tim Weiner, Craig Rogers, Positive Impace, Karen Z, Steve Bozak...and so on and so on.
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Tim Weiner, isn't that the journalist who wrote articles about WWASPS? Why would he be even remotely connected with any of these folks?
spots:
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Well, that is interesting. Spots, are you a member of Pure? Are you assiting in removing kids from WWasp and placing them in Pure "approved" facilities?
If so, why is Pure's brand of behavior modification better than WWasps?
Spots, help bring me around to a better understanding of who I am speaking to and responding to. I will not take other's words for your intentions but instead care to hear it from your mouth.
Thank you.
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Well, Greg, this is who I am and what I stand for. BTW, my real name is known to this forum, courtesy of an illegally reprinted private email from me to Carey Bock.
I am a grandmother, married 40 years to my high school sweetheart, having 8 grandhchildren, raising horses, goats, chickens, etc. on a ranch in Northern California. We are grandparents (and guardians) of a now-15yo girl who spent 10 months at Casa by the Sea. Her mother, the sole custodial parent, did not communicate directly with her for the duration of her incarceration, allowing her to suffer the sort of life that you and others endured in Straight. While I cannot understand this reasoning, it was the strongly-expressed wishes of the new step-father that this child was disrectful enough to need behavior modification that seemed to blind the custodial parent to the possibilities of abuse testified to by survivors such as those among us.
Obvious to anyone with half a brain is my loathing for all "programs". KarenZ (my "accomplice?") is a nice person, but her affiliation with yet another fix-for-hire group has put her on my Negative List. Do I refer to other programs after WWASPS? Have I ever ever ever said anything positive about any program, except that famous "...perhaps Positive Impact may be OK", which is as ringing an endorsement as me saying Saddam Hussein (or Pol Pot or Jo En Li [North Korean guy]) is less evil than Adolph Hitler.
There is no behavior modification. No behavior can be "modified". One can oppress inappropriate behavior, perhaps supplant it with something more socially-acceptable IF the perpetrator finds the alternative acceptable. Otherwise, you just paint over with whitewash, which washes off in the first spring rain. The trick is to work with the perpetrator and try to present a value analysis that would make behaving "normal" a Good Thing. Smoking pot, smart-mouthing, and staying out past curfew are "normal", relatively short term, and usually prove to be more trouble than they're worth to continue.
Do I receive big bucks from PURE to get kids out of WWASPS and send them off to a PURE-paid-referral "program". No. Actually, my financial position is a great deal more than "comfortable", not requiring me to stoop to affiliation with any teen referral agency. I do have high moral standards for my endeavors, and I am sorry for people who shill for evil, whether for money, assuaging guilt, or simply because they're too dumb to know the difference.
GregFL:
Thank you Spots. This has been my impression of you all along. I accept what you say at face value.
I am finding these PURE and WWASP paranoid delusional rantings a bit boring, to be frank.
Spots, you are cool in my book. I love it when someone out of the direct line of fire (children, sibling, parents) gets involved and rescues a kid from a program, and then becomes a program critic.
Thank you for caring, and Keep it up!
GregFL:
And by the way, Spots...I was in the Seed in 1973, not Straight. Straight was a cheap imitation of the real thing, a cool-aide love cult rehab named the Seed that spawned that line of treatment centers. In fact, my father was one of the founders of Straight, Inc.
I am the father of a 21 year old full time college kid that has even smoked pot,skipped school,had parties at my house behind my back, had the police called on him, been in fights and drank beer and cussed at his father! Imagine!!!!!!
Oh yeah, and if he continues on his current path, should have his PHD and be a psychologist within 3 years, has been living on his own for 2 1/2 years and takes care of a dog, maintains a job and loves his family.
No behavior modification necessary......
Anonymous:
Spots writes:
KarenZ (my "accomplice?") is a nice person, but her affiliation with yet nother fix-for-hire group has put her on my Negative List.
Well, I am sorry to learn this. I'd like to point out tho, that it has never been a secret that I sent my son to another program after pulling him from Dundee; and I have always said I felt this was, in our case, a good choice. My affiliation with this program has also never been a secret and I have explained it in detail several times. Some might get the idea you have just learned about this, and that's an unfair impression to give. I can't help but think if I have been moved from your "positive list" to your "negative list", it has more to do with something other than this "affileation", about which you have always known; But whatever the reason, I am sorry to learn you have me on your "negative list." I can't help but think you are using a tilted scale when weighing me in the balance - but its your scale.
Greg Writes:
Oh yeah, and if he continues on his current path, should have his PHD and be a psychologist within 3 years, has been living on his own for 2 1/2 years and takes care of a dog, maintains a job and loves his family.
This is good news; and hopefully when he is a physiologist, he'll be able to reach kids like mine and maybe actually help. I don't want to write a great deal about just how scary a serious drug problem is; and how different from token' on a number now and then. . .but it Is Very scary and Very different; and I just can't bring myself to agree that their is nothing a concerned and caring parent should do.
The advice is often "spend Time with your kid; get family therapy; get drug counseling, ect". . .We tried all that.
And while I know time pressure and jobs and all, often keep parents from having time for their kids; this wasn't out situation.
And, it wasn't as if I didn't seek out professional opinions. . .
I asked the family doctor; the school counselors; the drug consoler; a psychologist who does family therapy and adolescent issues; as well as every member of our extended family for advice; and it was unanimous that under the circumstances, a "program" was a valid decision.
Many people whoz opinions on this subject I do respect, disagree, and maintain that any program is bad news. I am willing to accept that you *might* be right; at least as far as it seldom helps and the risk of harm is real; But I am not able to go so far myself, as to say there isn't sometimes a need for intervention of the program kind. However, and let me stress it; as ISAC points out: No One Should Be Abused in the name of Treatment!
I couldn't agree more.
Anonymous wrote:
"Spots endorsing Positive Impact...funny...seems to be a connection between Spots, Tim Weiner, Craig Rogers, Positive Impace, Karen Z, Steve Bozak...and so on and so on. "
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Tim Weiner, isn't that the journalist who wrote articles about WWASPS? Why would he be even remotely connected with any of these folks?
He's not. Not at all. And neither are many others named, connected. I only know of one person who lumps all these individuals together. I would assume this is her.
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