How do I help?

[notworking]

On 2004-04-26 15:55:00, Anonymous wrote:


Please don't make this issue a partisan thing, because it's not."

I'm glad that it's not in your case.  But it is in many -- look at the links between the people who run these facilities and the Republican party.  

And my point, which was half joking anyway, was that social conservatives (is this a less offensive term?) tend to believe that people get what they deserve -- poor people deserve to be poor because they make bad choices -- and use that belief to defend the status quo and their lack of interest in making things better for people outside their social millieu.  Conservatives even have code words for it -- "culture of victimization," "personal responsibility".    

But I think YOUR point, which was that it is unnecessarily divisive to claim child welfare as a liberal issue, is a good one.  So, no more sniping from me, at least here.  Peace.

[warriorprincess]

wecome to the child abuse haters club, we need all the help we can get!

[cherish wisdom]

To Nihilanthic: More people need to help. It's important to disclose what is going on to the public at large. Many in government know what is happening they just look the other way. There is alot of political corruption in the form of huge political contributions. Once they know that the PEOPLE are outraged - then and only then will something be done. Remember, this is a government by the people and for the people. When the people protest then those who are in leadership start taking notice. For example, once people saw the new photos of the soldiers demeaning the Iraqi prisoners - piling them up naked and taking pictures of them, the president expressed his outrage.  The president and all of his men took action. The UN took action. It's the same with this problem teen industry. A letter writing campaign can be effective. Also notify your Congressional representative of your outrage.   Express your opinion to all of the newspapers in your area. In your letter urge government to do something about it.  Make suggestions.  One voice can make a difference. I know how you feel.  I also think about all of the children who live in fear in these facilities, who have no way out of their situation. What is happening is illegal.  The Supreme Courth has ruled that people do not give up their Constitutional rights just because they are in a facility for treatment. Many children are also protected by US Code Title 42 - because they are mentally ill. Most facilities are in violation of State, Federal and International Law. Many have started websites for survivors and informational sites to prevent parents from sending their children to these programs. This industry is again in the news because someone died again.  Unfortunately it often takes a tragedy for the media to start exposing what's happening.
You need to become informed and it takes a lot of time.  Best Wishes to you. The world needs more people with your sensitivity and compassion. Thank you for your entry.  :smile:

I swear by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.
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"If you lack wisdom ask of God and it shall be given to you."[ This Message was edited by: cherish wisdom on 2004-04-30 19:55 ]

[Nihilanthic]

Thanks for the reply.

The issue is people don't WANT to care about domestic issues, I've found. We'd rather be angry at "the government" and look overseas so we can safely raise our voice either way, then go home and watch TV. People are so pissed about something a world away, but nobody gets up on arms over our own children being abused.

Its going to take the lid being blown off this in a massive way for people to start getting angry about it.

Its sad. Most powerful nation to ever exist can't even protect its own children.

And yes, I am going to keep raising hell. People say to me all the time "What the FUCK?" Or,  "god... this can't be real!" It is, and it sucks. One poor person threw up upon hearing about it... but was repressing her own abusive history.

People who know will act, its too sick and disgusting to just forget. It stuck in my mind and it sticks in theirs. I'm never forgetting.

[cherish wisdom]

This is truly something worthy of your time, outrage and work. Look at how many people have spoken up for animal rights, equal rights, abortion rights, etc etc.  It just takes enough people who are willing and able to take a stand and say something. In politics it is well known that if one letter comes in there are probably at least 1000 other people who feel the same. This is why letter writing is so important. Get it out into the arena of public debate.  This is where all worthy causes get their start.  Sure there are going to be those who really have been brainwashed into thinking this is right - but they are in the minority. EVERYONE I've discussed this with is outraged and surprised. This is a new industry that pretty much sprang up overnight after the Columbine massacre.  Sure there have been programs since the 70's - but most have evolved since 1990.
Keep up the good work.  Join others. Write, protest!!!!!

Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right.
--Carl Schurz, German-born U.S. general and U.S. senator

[Anonymous]

Cherish are you Paula Reeves?

[Anonymous]

Expose the ed consultants and independent referral services for what they really are, not just the programs.  After all, where DO you think these programs are getting their clients (sic)?  

 :eek:

[Anonymous]

On 2004-05-01 07:52:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Cherish are you Paula Reeves?"

Anon, what makes you think these 2 people are 1 in the same?

[Anonymous]

Cherish/Paula was your child at Tranquility Bay?

After your child was pulled from Tranquility Bay was he then sent to Sorenson Ranch,referred there by PURE? Were you happy with your childs stay at Sorenson Ranch?

[Antigen]

On 2004-04-30 21:01:00, cherish wisdom wrote:

This is a new industry that pretty much sprang up overnight after the Columbine massacre. Sure there have been programs since the 70's - but most have evolved since 1990.

Maybe Columbine and the other school shootings gave the market a boost. But this really has been an entrenched part of our culture for a long time. Early on when we all ("we" being folks I know) started putting these sites out there, we were hearing from old men who'd been sent to religious homes for the wayward or orphanages where similar tactics were used. If you look into the history of just exactly how Europeans went about persuing their Manifest Destiny, they also did essentially the same thing to native youths. The pretense was that they were helping these poor savage bastards who were not capable of properly raising their kids to become civilized adults.

Things are changing for us, slowly but surely. Up until just a few years ago, most of us had just quit talking about our experience because the people we tried to tell either didn't believe us or frankly didn't care. Now, when you bring up the issue of trouble in the troubled teen industry or boot camps or behavior modification, most people have some kind of point of reference; a little scrap of context to which to attach what we have to tell them.

These days, journalists are more inclined to cover these stories. People read them and talk about them and have a chance to form an opinion. Courts are more willing to hear evidence such as testimony from fellow clients. It's working, in other words. Rampant talking out in group! If you have a shred of faith left in your fellow human being, you don't have to try and control that dialog. All we have to do is keep the dialog going and involve as many people from as many and varied perspectives as we can.

He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.
--Albert Einstein

[Anonymous]

Cherish/Paula, where did you go?

Cherish/Paula was your child at Tranquility Bay?

After your child was pulled from Tranquility Bay was he then sent to Sorenson Ranch,referred there by PURE? Were you happy with your childs stay at Sorenson Ranch?

[cherish wisdom]

To the anonymous person who has been trying to guess who I am:  You are nuts! I am not someone named Paula and I do not have any ties to PURE.  I looked at the website that was provided by another anon - and I don't approve of PURE either. They are just another company trying to cash in on desparate parents. They purport to refer children to kinder and gentler programs. I don't honestly know if there are any so I would never support or trust a referal like PURE. In addition they also refer escort services - perhaps a gentler and kinder escort service. So that is another red-flag for me. Please don't accuse me of association with PURE EVIL.  At this point I don't support any of them and believe that serious reform and regulation must be established in this industry. This industry must not be allowed to exhist at all until children are given more rights and allowed to have enough contact with the outside world to be able to notify authorities or a lawyer if their human, civil and Constitutional rights are being violated.  Until this is done I feel they should all be closed down.  Children should not be assaulted in their own homes and hauled off to these programs by escort services. I also believe that the industry attracks sadists, perverts and pedeophiles since these children are sitting ducks for every type of abuse immaginable. I will no longer reply to any anonymous post on this board.
We have made dozens of reports to authorities after rescuing our child from an abusive program in Utah.  Since then we have investigated this abhorent industry. So I'm not Paula, not Angela, not associated with PURE - and not comfortable enough to use my own name on a site where the majority of entries are from unregisterd users. This is a great web-site - and I've learned a lot from some of the posts here.

...it is worth discussing radical changes, not in the expectation that they will be adopted promptly but for two other reasons. One is to construct an ideal goal, so that incremental changes can be judged by whether they move the institutional structure toward or away from that ideal. The other reason is very different. It is so that if a crisis requiring or facilitating radical change does arise, alternatives will be available that have been carefully developed and fully explored."

http://laissezfairebooks.com/index.cfm?eid=103&aid=10247' target='_new'>Milton Friedman

[spots]

FYI Cherish, PURE, as I am sure you have discovered, is the favorite diversion of an Anon who prefers not to deal with reality and instead bounces off the wall with absurdities.  It appears this person may be a cultist from a support group, one of the most adamant and strident in the US.  Just as with trollers who spam any old Internet website, the most positive method of dealing with it is *not dealing with it*.  IOW, just ignore her.

Oh, about Paula?  This Anon person also seems to believe she has "inside" information.  In point of actual fact, that information appears to have been gathered from some pretty old posts, heresay, just plain guessing.  Paula is a professional all right, but definitely not a medical professional as you are.  She also has a child severely abused by a behavior modification facility.  She also is a champion of activists trying to change things.  And, most importantly, the Anon seems to infer that knowing of PURE or being Paula is a bad thing. She is wrong. Don't let anyone from the Dark Side (anonymous) dissuade you or divert you.  You're doin' great.

[Anonymous]

, the Anon seems to infer that knowing of PURE or being Paula is a bad thing

How do you see that the Anon is trying to say that "being Paula is bad is a bad thing?" Sounds to me like the Anon is trying to clarify some information.  Spots, do you see that as a "bad thing."

[Antigen]

:nworthy:  Go Cherish Wisdom!!! :nworthy:

On 2004-05-01 15:05:00, cherish wisdom wrote:

So I'm not Paula, not Angela, not associated with PURE - and not comfortable enough to use my own name on a site where the majority of entries are from unregisterd users. This is a great web-site - and I've learned a lot from some of the posts here.

You can learn a lot from the anons too. You just have to take what they have to say in the context given. Sometimes, that means disregard what they say. Other times, what they say is self evident regardless of who said it.

But if you're going to post anon, then understand that. Some statements are just non-compelling outside of at least the context of what else you've had to say under the same username.

Hey, I didn't make it so, it just is so. And, call me a fool (you wouldn't be the first nor likely the last) but I think there's some value in it.

May your days be joyfully challenging and your words artfully true
-- Ginger Warbis SMA, `00