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Roy:

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On 2004-03-30 18:23:00, Anonymous wrote:


Fortunately, no matter what the real world is like the people powerful enough to make a change (positive or negative) speak in a voice that can be heard. Truly effective change is brought by appealing to these people.


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I see where we're missing eachother. I've never thought of myself as a slave. I guess I'll have to work on that, huh?

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What you are suggesting is that I take the issue to lawyers and try to make a buck. Lawyers don't make change - just money. An ex student just pocketed 600 K and nothing changed - duh?  

Fortunately, I don't live in the environment that you elites live in -where the extent of ethics involves grabbing up unearned slimy money for personal luxury. Student my ass.

My parents taught me to value humanity and not take from other people what I have not earned for myself. Now if CEDU could follow that example we would not be having this conversation - would we?

So we've come full circle and we are back to the real issue - power, control, greed and lust for more. This is epidemic, and it is a social problem. CEDU is just one symptom of it.

The whole idea of getting rid of the disease is getting rid of the symptoms. Lust for power and control over children must become unrewarding.

What we are doing here on this board is making it very unrewarding.

Your ideas are poorly thought out. Think "out of the box" and you will understand exactly what is going on here. "Communication is the universal solvent; it washes away everything. Free dialogue and active protest are the way to change. If you make them uncomfortable in their seats - they get up and leave. By the way..........  :wave:

Anonymous:
Historic record will cite that the greatest movements for change were not brought on by unintelligent, vulgar hate-speak. Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., Fredrick Douglas and any other true catalyst for change appealed to the masses through smart argument. Selfish exploits of lawyers, businessmen and journalists have brought change to civil rights, economic competition and civil rights, respectively. Remember, you are a man (or a few men) taking on a corporation. This is a tough fight, it needs to be handled appropriately.

Trust me; I do not live the life of luxury that you allude to. However, that doesn?t matter. FDR grew up in one of the most powerful and wealthy families in America. As an adult, the aristocrat became the hero of the small men, founder of the welfare movement. He is not alone; the Kennedy dynasty has fought for the liberal movement since its existence. Today, John Kerry looks to change the radically conservative direction America is going. These aristocrats care about the common person. There is no reason to hate a social class.

Your position of taking the small man fight ?out of the box? is not revolutionary. Your argument of making CEDU uncomfortable in their seats is very socialist and very flawed. However, you may be a socialist (that?s OK), but any socialist will note the tragedy of introducing a radical idea into an unaccepting, possibly corrupt (by socialist thought) system. No matter if you are socialist or not, this is a direct metaphor for your situation. The disgruntled CEDU population is a fraction of the small percentage of the small fraction of people that know about CEDU to begin with. How are they going to change the system with your misdirected argument at the helm? How will you rally your constituents with such a radical philosophy? You can make a difference, you can change the system, do it right!

As a side note, when you wrote that you wanted to make CEDU uncomfortable in their seats is exactly the same philosophy that Iraqi terrorists utilize in acts of terrorism within their country. This is not a good example, because you may not agree with the war and agree with the Iraqi terrorists. There are too many factors to discuss this topic as well. Just remember, these attacks have not differed American involvement in their country, or the formation of their government and constitution. This same thought process of making them uncomfortable in their seats is taken by the ineffective attacks on Israel by suicide bombers of the Palestinian State. I note that these arguments (Iraq, Israel) are flawed because of personal belief, please do not make future postings regarding these comments. They are just food for thought; I know you probably do not agree.

If you are the spokesman for this movement, it is doomed. I think you are forgetting that I am not on CEDU?s side. I advocate that those of you who are willing to fight the war against CEDU take an active and smart position.

I would like to add, that I am enjoying this debate. However, if thread is just another thorn in your side, let me know- I'll stop. No matter what, everyone is entitled to an opinion. Even if I disagree with your methods, I do not want to take up your time especially when it could be valuable to your cause.

A former congressman came to talk to my government class today. He was the only person in history to win an election against George W. Bush back in 78, their opinions were so different that one would infer a hatred between the two. He explained that candidates that take two different sides of a issue can be civil. Today, besides lobbying for many liberal causes, he sits on Bush?s board of finance. We don?t even have a different opinion. You choose to be active, I do not. You have one set of ideas how to handle this issue, I have another. That is our debate. Please keep any further correspondence to attacks on my ideas and not on my character.

Antigen:

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 The disgruntled CEDU population is a fraction of the small percentage of the small fraction of people that know about CEDU to begin with.

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Seems pretty fatalistic if you accept that premis. But it's a flawed premis. I believe that the vast majority of people w/ firsthand experience on the receiving end of the troubled parent help industry are similarly disgruntled. And I believe that CEDU is identical in a few fundamental ways to all of the other Synanon based programs out there. And I believe that if we get together and compare notes, we can bust them dead to rights in the court of public opinion, leaving the sanctimonious lawyers, congresscritters and various assorted jaberwocks in the dust, jaws in their laps like they're strung out on thorazine.

I could be wrong, of course. But there's only one way to find out and I'm pursuing it.
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He that lives upon hope will die fasting
--Benjamin Franklin 1758
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Anonymous:
dude can hardly write the english language. you should go back to grade school. only faggy preps like bush go to andover anyway. exeter rules dude.

Anonymous:
"I believe that if we get together and compare notes, we can bust them dead to rights in the court of public opinion, leaving the sanctimonious lawyers, congresscritters and various assorted jaberwocks in the dust, jaws in their laps like they're strung out on thorazine."

I can accept that. Do you not agree that to be able to get together, compare notes and lead the charge that it requires a leader that can rally the support of the former CEDU students? How do you expect to do this with the style of argument that Roy and others have brought to the table?

In other forums, I have seen parents ask the board if their child should go to an Emo. Growth boarding school. How should that parent react with comments that range from "you're wrong", go on vacation and maybe you are a bad parent. All responses riddled with vulgar language. How is that parent, good or bad, supposed to respect your opinions? Maybe there are rational arguments out there (maybe yourself), but your peers hurt your fight more than help it.

Finally, I believe that without a campaign grounded in reason and a dignity that appeals to the masses, this fight will fail. My solution is to try to get to these selfish interests (young lawyer, journalists, etc.) to fight your cause, because at this time the former CEDU students are not ready to handle do it on there own.

However, I believe if you find a leader in your movement who can rally the former CEDU students in a positive, well intentioned campaign against CEDU that you could go about the fight differently than I suggested. I believe that if you are all appropriate spokesman, you could attract non-CEDU students to your cause. At this time this group is not unified, extremely vulgar, and does not attract the respect (though it may deserve the respect) from the mainstream community. Would you not agree? I would also point out that to use this tactic would take a lot longer than you think. Good Luck!

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