Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
What if parents spent time in program?
Oscar:
The parents would attract too much attention because they are the one who need the therapy most of all. In Denmark Season 3 of a program using wilderness therapy on teenagers who want the therapy so they can learn how to become independent and move out of their parent’s house the mothers were invited.
The result was that the therapist saw that the girl’s progresses were halted by the presence of the parents. Parents tend to use something we call "Curling effect". They fall into a kind of pattern where they make excuses for their children because they can see what they created. Some parents do the homework of their children. Some drive across the country to secure that there is food on the table despite the fact that the teenager can do without the parents.
Here is a link to season 2 of the TV-series. It is not Brat Camp. It is actually teenagers with top-grades. Our society produces adults based on the social status of their parents only. You can measure the success of a Danish child based on the economy and level of education by the parents. Danish social workers know the children they will be working with as soon as the child is only 2 years old.
psy:
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--- Quote from: "psy" ---I am interested to know from somebody like Whooter that if he (or she) were asked to wear a French maid outfit and perform a lap dance in the name of therapy, would he(or she) do it. Any other examples people can think of? Let's try and keep this thread clean and free of personal attacks, but I am interested in these hypotheticals.
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It would be bad for business. If they forced me to do that and I walked out wearing it most of the people would leave. Even staff would resign.
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Actually. I chose that example for a reason. Crossdressing is just one exercise out of many from WWASP's parent seminars. Yet parents put up with it. Voluntarily even. Why?
--- Quote ---WHY I DIDN’T WALK OUT
Somehow the situation had overcome my usual objections to this type of process. I was in a vulnerable position emotionally because of the long-term crises that we had experienced with our daughter. In the past several hours, I had felt myself carried along by a powerful and charismatic speaker; I was experiencing an overload from the amount of information given and speed of delivery. I didn’t have time to emotionally and rationally process what was happening. The confrontation by Don had put me into a state of emotional shock and made feel personally threatened and afraid.
My defenses were down because I was already trusting of Teen Help and expected something different. I felt an urgency to stay and participate in the seminar, because I had been persuaded to believe that my daughter’s life depended upon it. I had been told if I didn’t attend, our family could not participate in the Parent/Child Seminars that were vital to our daughter’s reintegration into our family. I wanted my daughter to come home and I wanted help with the reintegration processes from the program that best understood what she had been through. That was one of the main reasons I was at the Seminar.
Besides, I had already made a significant investment of money, time and energy in this program and my reputation was on the line. If I objected and walked out now, I would have to explain to the newspaper reporter who had interviewed me a few days before why I had done it.
I had referred three people to Teen Help and wanted to believe I had done the right thing. No one likes to feel they have made a mistake and endorsed a company they will later wish they hadn’t. I had trusted Teen Help and the results I was seeing with my daughter’s progress in the program. I would not have referred families to this program if I had had any doubts.
Besides, I owed R & D Billing, the billing company for Tranquility Bay and Teen Help, a sizeable amount of money and I was paying them off for my daughters care with referrals to the Teen Help was in a financially vulnerable situation and felt an obligation to protect the program’s best interests.
All of these reasons contributed to my decision to stay and take the Silent Vow. These were certainly not normal circumstances and I was not behaving in a manner consistent with my normal behavior. I did not, however think all of this through at the time. Rather, I was swept along in an experience that seemed to be accelerating in pace and unusualness. I also assumed that things would eventually explain themselves and that I was through the worst part of the seminar.
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Read the full thing here.
Many program parents do, in fact, go through LGAT seminars similar to LifeSteps, Propheets, WWASP's discovery seminars, and others. They're usually not quite so severe, but i'm interested to know, Whooter, if after reading that, you would tolerate what those parents did?
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "psy" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "psy" ---I am interested to know from somebody like Whooter that if he (or she) were asked to wear a French maid outfit and perform a lap dance in the name of therapy, would he(or she) do it. Any other examples people can think of? Let's try and keep this thread clean and free of personal attacks, but I am interested in these hypotheticals.
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It would be bad for business. If they forced me to do that and I walked out wearing it most of the people would leave. Even staff would resign.
--- End quote ---
Actually. I chose that example for a reason. Crossdressing is just one exercise out of many from WWASP's parent seminars. Yet parents put up with it. Voluntarily even. Why?
--- Quote ---WHY I DIDN’T WALK OUT
Somehow the situation had overcome my usual objections to this type of process. I was in a vulnerable position emotionally because of the long-term crises that we had experienced with our daughter. In the past several hours, I had felt myself carried along by a powerful and charismatic speaker; I was experiencing an overload from the amount of information given and speed of delivery. I didn’t have time to emotionally and rationally process what was happening. The confrontation by Don had put me into a state of emotional shock and made feel personally threatened and afraid.
My defenses were down because I was already trusting of Teen Help and expected something different. I felt an urgency to stay and participate in the seminar, because I had been persuaded to believe that my daughter’s life depended upon it. I had been told if I didn’t attend, our family could not participate in the Parent/Child Seminars that were vital to our daughter’s reintegration into our family. I wanted my daughter to come home and I wanted help with the reintegration processes from the program that best understood what she had been through. That was one of the main reasons I was at the Seminar.
Besides, I had already made a significant investment of money, time and energy in this program and my reputation was on the line. If I objected and walked out now, I would have to explain to the newspaper reporter who had interviewed me a few days before why I had done it.
I had referred three people to Teen Help and wanted to believe I had done the right thing. No one likes to feel they have made a mistake and endorsed a company they will later wish they hadn’t. I had trusted Teen Help and the results I was seeing with my daughter’s progress in the program. I would not have referred families to this program if I had had any doubts.
Besides, I owed R & D Billing, the billing company for Tranquility Bay and Teen Help, a sizeable amount of money and I was paying them off for my daughters care with referrals to the Teen Help was in a financially vulnerable situation and felt an obligation to protect the program’s best interests.
All of these reasons contributed to my decision to stay and take the Silent Vow. These were certainly not normal circumstances and I was not behaving in a manner consistent with my normal behavior. I did not, however think all of this through at the time. Rather, I was swept along in an experience that seemed to be accelerating in pace and unusualness. I also assumed that things would eventually explain themselves and that I was through the worst part of the seminar.
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Read the full thing here.
Many program parents do, in fact, go through LGAT seminars similar to LifeSteps, Propheets, WWASP's discovery seminars, and others. They're usually not quite so severe, but i'm interested to know, Whooter, if after reading that, you would tolerate what those parents did?
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I would not tolerate that. I don't think it is necessary to bully or belittle people. I had a family member who attended a seminar called EST in the early 80's, it was a 2 weekend 60 hour course and just listening to what the people had to go through, no bathroom breaks etc. it wouldn't be for me. I was invited in during the last hour and people seemed like they were on drugs. A lot of money for getting high in my opinion. It wore off in a couple of weeks and all was forgotten. Probably a good exercise in human behavior.
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none-ya:
I had a boss who spent big $$$ to do the EST thing. It never did any damn good. But he would never admit he wasted his money
Che Gookin:
--- Quote from: "psy" ---I too am interested in what would happen if parents, not specifically whooter, spent time in program and underwent many of the same things the kids did. I'd wager they'd withdrawal themselves pretty quickly, but at what point would the treatment become unacceptable. We know parents will subject themselves to seminars fairly similar to what the kids will, but what about raps? What about the crazier aspects of the kids's seminars?
I am interested to know from somebody like Whooter that if he (or she) were asked to wear a French maid outfit and perform a lap dance in the name of therapy, would he(or she) do it. Any other examples people can think of? Let's try and keep this thread clean and free of personal attacks, but I am interested in these hypotheticals.
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Or perhaps it would be used as a means of legitimizing certain politically connected companies who claim to offer "safe and non-abusive" treatment alternatives. Emphasis on the quotes should be seen as sarcasm.
As another way of looking at it, the Sue Scheff El Switcheroo. Her vocal opposition to WWASP being used as a front to pitch her hand picked programs that reportedly give/gave her a fee for referring kids to them.
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