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Pile of Dead Kids:
--- Quote from: "blombrowski" ---Then again... I can't find this research paper anywhere except for on the conference agenda where it was presented:
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1) A college party atmosphere glorifying drugs and alcohol
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C'mon. You know it's not a serious research paper when they start spewing stuff like this. It's like reading an astronomy paper that mentions the angels that push the heavenly spheres. Whether or not there was any research at all or it was pure make-believe is an open question, but either way, it never passed peer review or any serious scrutiny.
--- Quote ---Presenters: Jacob Hess, Ph.D., Research Director, Utah Youth Village; Eric Bjorklund,
J.D., Executive Director, Utah Youth Village
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Really curious which collegiate Cracker Jack box these guys got those degrees out of. Some joke of a college or a straight-up diploma mill?
Some of them are finally starting to realize "this really isn't working" when they look beyond the echo chamber. So they try with their limited faculties to determine what's gone wrong. However, the whole foundation on which they do "science" is complete bullshit, so they can't get real answers and wouldn't recognize them if they did.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "blombrowski" ---There are residential programs that can't even get the child to make gains between admission and discharge. So the pre-post gains are something. But... without those gains being compared to a control group who didn't have the intervention, or a different intervention, it's hard to make a comparison.
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I agree, if they could some how develop a controlled group of kids who are similar, sending half to a program and the other half allow to move forward the best they can on local services or status quo and then follow them a few years past graduation to say age 22 I think that would reveal a lot about the effectiveness (or ineffectiveness) of the program. Because many here on fornits feel some of these kids will outgrow their problems naturally (mature) over time without such a dramatic intervention as 16 months in a program.
Still reading your previous post....
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blombrowski:
Dr. Jacob Hess, (PhD), who received his doctorate in Clinical-Community Psychology from the University of Illinois Urbana Champaign
After watching him present, and also observing what his research interests are, and the fact that he has published other peer-reviewed articles, I don't doubt his sincerity or skill as a researcher.
As for this study, it was a qualitative research study that followed-up with families I believe 2 years post discharge, and the long-term outcomes weren't that great. But it did establish some patterns as to which of the young women were successful after discharge and what were some of the contributing factors.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Che Gookin" ---Errr... I hate to break it to you, Psy has never trusted the whooter.. ever.
I remember when a certain someone changed the whooter's user title to Proud Member of Nambla (national associatio of man boy love or something like that). Psy laughed his butt off as much as the rest of us.
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A guy from China who was partying too much named TSW if I remember correctly. I thought it was funny too until I needed to explain to my wife why all of a sudden I started receiving NAMBLA membership pamplets in the mail and Thailand getaway vacation packages. You think having your identity stolen is hard to clean up.
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Pile of Dead Kids:
--- Quote from: "blombrowski" ---After watching him present, and also observing what his research interests are, and the fact that he has published other peer-reviewed articles, I don't doubt his sincerity or skill as a researcher.
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Okay- I'll take your word for it. He's still missing the forest for the trees here, simply by the way he phrased it: "we observed ?ve external barriers to long-term, sustainable change"
Drugs and alcohol are always going to be widely available. These kids' fucked-up families are always going to be fucked up. Some men are always going to look for ways to take advantage of young women, untreated chemical mental illness requires medication, and medication issues need the attention of experienced psychopharmacologists. If any "treatment program" doesn't prepare the people it's "treating" for these influences, then it's fixed precisely nothing. For him to call these "external barriers" instead of the things that actual treatment would have taught them to deal with is simply intellectually dishonest. If "long-term, sustainable change" doesn't survive contact with the real world, it was neither long-term nor sustainable to begin with.
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